Network question that is driving me insane
Hello, The below is an excerpt of a conversation I am having with a friend, I'm sending the initial topic here if anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them. The summary I'm getting ready to block one of my home users from accessing *all* internet services here. Using Mac filtering I have already cut off his ps4 and his internet-connected tv it's actually my gfs but when he uses it it won't connect. I know about the inheriant limitations of mac filtering but he doesn't have the technical know-how to get around them, plus I'm going to put a network-wide site block on four specific sites that he goes to so that even if someone else here gives him there mobile or other device like a tablet it won't matter. Basic connectivity is this, AT&T Fiber internet, Orbi mesh system behind that, rbr50 to be specific which is running the latest Netgear firmware. Here it is: "Check me here please. 1. Any device must show up somewhere on the network it can not be a ghost or invisible or it wouldn't be able to receive anything 2. Any device (and this question pertains to my orbi) must show up in some way rather it's unknown or has a hostname or whatever, device must be in a list with it's IP Here's my problem, the one device I want to block (win10 64 bit home unactivated) is not showing up in my orbi connected devices, not as an unknown not as a nothing. Other devices connected via wired connection do even the RPI which is connected in to the same orbi satellite as the target shows and an arp scan from that box can not see it. I've tried arp scans from my machine here, the RPI, nmap, protable windows wireless network scanners, even fing on the phone, nothing is seeing this box, yet it connects to the internet. Ok, so I decided to look for an alternative WiFi or direct means, thinking maybe spectrum was put in and he's going separate, nope, the ethernet cord goes from the back of the target box to the orbi, no wireless addon cards in that box, nothing. I can also say he's not doing a phone tether, one no wireless or bluetooth to do it, 2 he's not that smart, 3 the speeds wouldn't be sufficient enough for streaming let alone gaming. It is driving me insane. Any suggestions welcome." Thanks. Dave.
Hello Does your router provide more than one netwrok segment? Can you chekc the IP address of the box to see if it is on same network? -- mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020 fp:0C1F6A76 DC9DDD58 33838B5D 0E769600 B7840D02 http://sokkona.arimo.info David Mehler kirjoitti
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Network question that is driving me insane Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 16:44:13 From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Hello,
The below is an excerpt of a conversation I am having with a friend, I'm sending the initial topic here if anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
The summary I'm getting ready to block one of my home users from accessing *all* internet services here. Using Mac filtering I have already cut off his ps4 and his internet-connected tv it's actually my gfs but when he uses it it won't connect.
I know about the inheriant limitations of mac filtering but he doesn't have the technical know-how to get around them, plus I'm going to put a network-wide site block on four specific sites that he goes to so that even if someone else here gives him there mobile or other device like a tablet it won't matter.
Basic connectivity is this, AT&T Fiber internet, Orbi mesh system behind that, rbr50 to be specific which is running the latest Netgear firmware.
Here it is:
"Check me here please.
1. Any device must show up somewhere on the network it can not be a ghost or invisible or it wouldn't be able to receive anything 2. Any device (and this question pertains to my orbi) must show up in some way rather it's unknown or has a hostname or whatever, device must be in a list with it's IP
Here's my problem, the one device I want to block (win10 64 bit home unactivated) is not showing up in my orbi connected devices, not as an unknown not as a nothing. Other devices connected via wired connection do even the RPI which is connected in to the same orbi satellite as the target shows and an arp scan from that box can not see it. I've tried arp scans from my machine here, the RPI, nmap, protable windows wireless network scanners, even fing on the phone, nothing is seeing this box, yet it connects to the internet.
Ok, so I decided to look for an alternative WiFi or direct means, thinking maybe spectrum was put in and he's going separate, nope, the ethernet cord goes from the back of the target box to the orbi, no wireless addon cards in that box, nothing. I can also say he's not doing a phone tether, one no wireless or bluetooth to do it, 2 he's not that smart, 3 the speeds wouldn't be sufficient enough for streaming let alone gaming.
It is driving me insane.
Any suggestions welcome."
Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Hi. If you have access to the box just get the Mac from there? I remember when I had an Orbi for a while the devices didn't always show up. If you are connecting via wired to one of the satellites I think you can http into the satellite and find out locally connected devices from there. Also if you have access to his PC ping your machine from his and it should show up in your Arp table. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Ari Moisio <arimo@iki.fi> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2023 3:06 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Network question that is driving me insane Hello Does your router provide more than one netwrok segment? Can you chekc the IP address of the box to see if it is on same network? -- mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020 fp:0C1F6A76 DC9DDD58 33838B5D 0E769600 B7840D02 http://sokkona.arimo.info David Mehler kirjoitti
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Network question that is driving me insane Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 16:44:13 From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Hello,
The below is an excerpt of a conversation I am having with a friend, I'm sending the initial topic here if anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
The summary I'm getting ready to block one of my home users from accessing *all* internet services here. Using Mac filtering I have already cut off his ps4 and his internet-connected tv it's actually my gfs but when he uses it it won't connect.
I know about the inheriant limitations of mac filtering but he doesn't have the technical know-how to get around them, plus I'm going to put a network-wide site block on four specific sites that he goes to so that even if someone else here gives him there mobile or other device like a tablet it won't matter.
Basic connectivity is this, AT&T Fiber internet, Orbi mesh system behind that, rbr50 to be specific which is running the latest Netgear firmware.
Here it is:
"Check me here please.
1. Any device must show up somewhere on the network it can not be a ghost or invisible or it wouldn't be able to receive anything 2. Any device (and this question pertains to my orbi) must show up in some way rather it's unknown or has a hostname or whatever, device must be in a list with it's IP
Here's my problem, the one device I want to block (win10 64 bit home unactivated) is not showing up in my orbi connected devices, not as an unknown not as a nothing. Other devices connected via wired connection do even the RPI which is connected in to the same orbi satellite as the target shows and an arp scan from that box can not see it. I've tried arp scans from my machine here, the RPI, nmap, protable windows wireless network scanners, even fing on the phone, nothing is seeing this box, yet it connects to the internet.
Ok, so I decided to look for an alternative WiFi or direct means, thinking maybe spectrum was put in and he's going separate, nope, the ethernet cord goes from the back of the target box to the orbi, no wireless addon cards in that box, nothing. I can also say he's not doing a phone tether, one no wireless or bluetooth to do it, 2 he's not that smart, 3 the speeds wouldn't be sufficient enough for streaming let alone gaming.
It is driving me insane.
Any suggestions welcome."
Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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Hello, Thanks for your replies. My network does not have more than one segment. I'm trying to keep this covert, I don't want to go near that box at this point, legal ramifications I don't want to give the guy an excuse to say I did something to his box, so I'm trying to alter "my" network equipment not his system. Both the target box and the RPI are connecting to the main orbi satellite/router, and I've checked that it doesn't show up. Thanks. Dave. On 4/27/23, Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> wrote:
Hi.
If you have access to the box just get the Mac from there? I remember when I had an Orbi for a while the devices didn't always show up. If you are connecting via wired to one of the satellites I think you can http into the satellite and find out locally connected devices from there. Also if you have access to his PC ping your machine from his and it should show up in your Arp table.
Thanks. Andrew.
-----Original Message----- From: Ari Moisio <arimo@iki.fi> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2023 3:06 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Network question that is driving me insane
Hello
Does your router provide more than one netwrok segment? Can you chekc the IP address of the box to see if it is on same network?
-- mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020 fp:0C1F6A76 DC9DDD58 33838B5D 0E769600 B7840D02 http://sokkona.arimo.info
David Mehler kirjoitti
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Network question that is driving me insane Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 16:44:13 From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Hello,
The below is an excerpt of a conversation I am having with a friend, I'm sending the initial topic here if anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
The summary I'm getting ready to block one of my home users from accessing *all* internet services here. Using Mac filtering I have already cut off his ps4 and his internet-connected tv it's actually my gfs but when he uses it it won't connect.
I know about the inheriant limitations of mac filtering but he doesn't have the technical know-how to get around them, plus I'm going to put a network-wide site block on four specific sites that he goes to so that even if someone else here gives him there mobile or other device like a tablet it won't matter.
Basic connectivity is this, AT&T Fiber internet, Orbi mesh system behind that, rbr50 to be specific which is running the latest Netgear firmware.
Here it is:
"Check me here please.
1. Any device must show up somewhere on the network it can not be a ghost or invisible or it wouldn't be able to receive anything 2. Any device (and this question pertains to my orbi) must show up in some way rather it's unknown or has a hostname or whatever, device must be in a list with it's IP
Here's my problem, the one device I want to block (win10 64 bit home unactivated) is not showing up in my orbi connected devices, not as an unknown not as a nothing. Other devices connected via wired connection do even the RPI which is connected in to the same orbi satellite as the target shows and an arp scan from that box can not see it. I've tried arp scans from my machine here, the RPI, nmap, protable windows wireless network scanners, even fing on the phone, nothing is seeing this box, yet it connects to the internet.
Ok, so I decided to look for an alternative WiFi or direct means, thinking maybe spectrum was put in and he's going separate, nope, the ethernet cord goes from the back of the target box to the orbi, no wireless addon cards in that box, nothing. I can also say he's not doing a phone tether, one no wireless or bluetooth to do it, 2 he's not that smart, 3 the speeds wouldn't be sufficient enough for streaming let alone gaming.
It is driving me insane.
Any suggestions welcome."
Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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