+1 on screen, been a big time screen user since the mid 90S. Disagree on voice over’s usability in term but that’s a personal preference thing. On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bram Duvigneau wrote:

Hi Jen,

The boxes you hear are probably due to different terminal sizes. If I remember correctly, Tmux fills the rest of the terminal with little boxes if your terminal is larger then the one at the other side. You can set your terminal size in the Terminal.app preferences on the Mac.

I usually use GNU Screen, but haven't looked in Tmux yet. I thought Tmux had some features that Screen is lacking, but Screen works well for me so far so never tried somethign else. Screen draws a horizontal line and leaves the bottom of the screen empty if your terminal is larger, that should give less issues. My personal opinion is that VO speech is not good enough to do serious terminal work, I always prefer a braille display and BRLTTY for that.

Bram On 6/8/2015 5:51 PM, Jen Bottom wrote:

...

Hi,

One of the products I support lives on Linux boxes, so I have been exploring the possibility of using something like 'tmux' or 'tmate', for times when it is useful to see what the customer themselves is doing on their box as they do it.

So far I have found 'tmate' ok, but 'speak' does seem to like reading out bits of the session from before. reading up from the bottom of the window seems to work ok though. Also, if I create the 'tmate' session on my Mac all is good, but if I connect to someone els's session, VO seems to get very hung up on telling me about light box drawings.

Any thoughts on the best solutions for terminal sharing are very much appreciated.

Cheers, Jen.

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Thanks all for your suggestions so far. I may have this wrong, but I think that if a user wants to share their terminal using screen, they would need to connect directly to my system, or I to theirs. This may not be great, as I would have to expose my work machine perhaps a bit more than it already is. Currently I can only get to it outside the office via VPN. It seems that Tmux and Tmate use a server, so potentially I could set one up in-house and this would be the only thing I would need to expose. This is probably not really much of an issue, as if you are sharing a terminal session with someone, whether it's via a server or not, they could still potentially do nasty stuff, if you don't keep an eye on things, but think IT would rather have a separate server they can control, rather than exposing my Mac. Any thoughts on this point? So far I'm thinking Tmate is the tool I will choose, though it requires a bit more overhead to install than Tmux (you have to add the PPA first) and Screen is even present on Macs by default. I feel however, that once it's installed, the commands are perhaps a little easier to get used to then those of Tmux or screen. Quite a few customer's who admin the products I need to support in this way, are not very clued up about the command line at all and are just used to using WebEx type tools. Anyway if they really need to show me some stuff, at least now they have an option :) Cheers, Jen. On 6/12/15, Sean Murphy wrote:

I had issues with screen and using a serial link. I found Voice-over not reading the whole line from the beginning.

Sean

...

On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:33 am, Scott Granados wrote:

+1 on screen, been a big time screen user since the mid 90S.

Disagree on voice over’s usability in term but that’s a personal preference thing.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bram Duvigneau wrote:

...

Hi Jen,

The boxes you hear are probably due to different terminal sizes. If I remember correctly, Tmux fills the rest of the terminal with little boxes if your terminal is larger then the one at the other side. You can set your terminal size in the Terminal.app preferences on the Mac.

I usually use GNU Screen, but haven't looked in Tmux yet. I thought Tmux had some features that Screen is lacking, but Screen works well for me so far so never tried somethign else. Screen draws a horizontal line and leaves the bottom of the screen empty if your terminal is larger, that should give less issues. My personal opinion is that VO speech is not good enough to do serious terminal work, I always prefer a braille display and BRLTTY for that.

Bram On 6/8/2015 5:51 PM, Jen Bottom wrote:

...

Hi,

One of the products I support lives on Linux boxes, so I have been exploring the possibility of using something like 'tmux' or 'tmate', for times when it is useful to see what the customer themselves is doing on their box as they do it.

So far I have found 'tmate' ok, but 'speak' does seem to like reading out bits of the session from before. reading up from the bottom of the window seems to work ok though. Also, if I create the 'tmate' session on my Mac all is good, but if I connect to someone els's session, VO seems to get very hung up on telling me about light box drawings.

Any thoughts on the best solutions for terminal sharing are very much appreciated.

Cheers, Jen.

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Has anyone been able to work with join.me with screen readers. I've had to get sighted assistance just to initiate the session. Has any particular screen reader been easier with join.me? Thanks. Troy Hergert -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:04 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Which program do people recommend for terminal sharing? What about something like goto meeting or join.mehttp://join.me? Now they aren’t the most accessible if someone wants you to log in to their machine but if someone logs in to yours they can observe you with out much issue and you can choose whether to grant access / share or not. I do this all the time when someone from JTAC wants to work with me on a routing problem. On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Jen Bottom mailto:jen.bottom@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks all for your suggestions so far. I may have this wrong, but I think that if a user wants to share their terminal using screen, they would need to connect directly to my system, or I to theirs. This may not be great, as I would have to expose my work machine perhaps a bit more than it already is. Currently I can only get to it outside the office via VPN. It seems that Tmux and Tmate use a server, so potentially I could set one up in-house and this would be the only thing I would need to expose. This is probably not really much of an issue, as if you are sharing a terminal session with someone, whether it's via a server or not, they could still potentially do nasty stuff, if you don't keep an eye on things, but think IT would rather have a separate server they can control, rather than exposing my Mac. Any thoughts on this point? So far I'm thinking Tmate is the tool I will choose, though it requires a bit more overhead to install than Tmux (you have to add the PPA first) and Screen is even present on Macs by default. I feel however, that once it's installed, the commands are perhaps a little easier to get used to then those of Tmux or screen. Quite a few customer's who admin the products I need to support in this way, are not very clued up about the command line at all and are just used to using WebEx type tools. Anyway if they really need to show me some stuff, at least now they have an option :) Cheers, Jen. On 6/12/15, Sean Murphy mailto:mhysnm1964@gmail.com> wrote: I had issues with screen and using a serial link. I found Voice-over not reading the whole line from the beginning. Sean On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:33 am, Scott Granados mailto:scott@granados-llc.net> wrote: +1 on screen, been a big time screen user since the mid 90S. Disagree on voice over’s usability in term but that’s a personal preference thing. On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bram Duvigneau mailto:bram@bramd.nl> wrote: Hi Jen, The boxes you hear are probably due to different terminal sizes. If I remember correctly, Tmux fills the rest of the terminal with little boxes if your terminal is larger then the one at the other side. You can set your terminal size in the Terminal.app preferences on the Mac. I usually use GNU Screen, but haven't looked in Tmux yet. I thought Tmux had some features that Screen is lacking, but Screen works well for me so far so never tried somethign else. Screen draws a horizontal line and leaves the bottom of the screen empty if your terminal is larger, that should give less issues. My personal opinion is that VO speech is not good enough to do serious terminal work, I always prefer a braille display and BRLTTY for that. Bram On 6/8/2015 5:51 PM, Jen Bottom wrote: Hi, One of the products I support lives on Linux boxes, so I have been exploring the possibility of using something like 'tmux' or 'tmate', for times when it is useful to see what the customer themselves is doing on their box as they do it. So far I have found 'tmate' ok, but 'speak' does seem to like reading out bits of the session from before. reading up from the bottom of the window seems to work ok though. Also, if I create the 'tmate' session on my Mac all is good, but if I connect to someone els's session, VO seems to get very hung up on telling me about light box drawings. Any thoughts on the best solutions for terminal sharing are very much appreciated. 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I’ve had moderate luck with go to meeting and join.mehttp://join.me under Voice Over. This is strictly say allowing a support person to watch my screen for remote support etc. I really haven’t had much luck on the flip side of that but basic functions should be available. On Jun 23, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Troy Hergert mailto:thergert@vision-forward.org> wrote: Has anyone been able to work with join.mehttp://join.me with screen readers. I've had to get sighted assistance just to initiate the session. Has any particular screen reader been easier with join.mehttp://join.me? Thanks. Troy Hergert -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:04 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Which program do people recommend for terminal sharing? What about something like goto meeting or join.mehttp://join.mehttp://join.me? Now they aren’t the most accessible if someone wants you to log in to their machine but if someone logs in to yours they can observe you with out much issue and you can choose whether to grant access / share or not. I do this all the time when someone from JTAC wants to work with me on a routing problem. On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Jen Bottom mailto:jen.bottom@gmail.commailto:jen.bottom@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks all for your suggestions so far. I may have this wrong, but I think that if a user wants to share their terminal using screen, they would need to connect directly to my system, or I to theirs. This may not be great, as I would have to expose my work machine perhaps a bit more than it already is. Currently I can only get to it outside the office via VPN. It seems that Tmux and Tmate use a server, so potentially I could set one up in-house and this would be the only thing I would need to expose. This is probably not really much of an issue, as if you are sharing a terminal session with someone, whether it's via a server or not, they could still potentially do nasty stuff, if you don't keep an eye on things, but think IT would rather have a separate server they can control, rather than exposing my Mac. Any thoughts on this point? So far I'm thinking Tmate is the tool I will choose, though it requires a bit more overhead to install than Tmux (you have to add the PPA first) and Screen is even present on Macs by default. I feel however, that once it's installed, the commands are perhaps a little easier to get used to then those of Tmux or screen. Quite a few customer's who admin the products I need to support in this way, are not very clued up about the command line at all and are just used to using WebEx type tools. Anyway if they really need to show me some stuff, at least now they have an option :) Cheers, Jen. On 6/12/15, Sean Murphy mailto:mhysnm1964@gmail.commailto:mhysnm1964@gmail.com> wrote: I had issues with screen and using a serial link. I found Voice-over not reading the whole line from the beginning. Sean On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:33 am, Scott Granados mailto:scott@granados-llc.netmailto:scott@granados-llc.net> wrote: +1 on screen, been a big time screen user since the mid 90S. Disagree on voice over’s usability in term but that’s a personal preference thing. On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bram Duvigneau mailto:bram@bramd.nlmailto:bram@bramd.nl> wrote: Hi Jen, The boxes you hear are probably due to different terminal sizes. If I remember correctly, Tmux fills the rest of the terminal with little boxes if your terminal is larger then the one at the other side. You can set your terminal size in the Terminal.app preferences on the Mac. I usually use GNU Screen, but haven't looked in Tmux yet. I thought Tmux had some features that Screen is lacking, but Screen works well for me so far so never tried somethign else. Screen draws a horizontal line and leaves the bottom of the screen empty if your terminal is larger, that should give less issues. My personal opinion is that VO speech is not good enough to do serious terminal work, I always prefer a braille display and BRLTTY for that. Bram On 6/8/2015 5:51 PM, Jen Bottom wrote: Hi, One of the products I support lives on Linux boxes, so I have been exploring the possibility of using something like 'tmux' or 'tmate', for times when it is useful to see what the customer themselves is doing on their box as they do it. So far I have found 'tmate' ok, but 'speak' does seem to like reading out bits of the session from before. reading up from the bottom of the window seems to work ok though. Also, if I create the 'tmate' session on my Mac all is good, but if I connect to someone els's session, VO seems to get very hung up on telling me about light box drawings. Any thoughts on the best solutions for terminal sharing are very much appreciated. 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Hello, Nor will you if you do not have a screen reader on the other end and if the remote desktop software permits audio across the connection. Citrix and MS Remote desktop are the only one’s I am aware of. Sean

On 30 Jun 2015, at 3:06 am, Jen Bottom wrote:

I found GoToMeeting quite usable for connecting to a meeting.

I have not yet found a screen-sharing solution, that will enable me to hear what is on the other person's screen, via a screen-reader, or read it with a braille display.

I am currently talking to my manager and our director about getting a 'mate' server in-house and an 'nada-remote' server, when it is available.

At least this way I will be able to offer customer's these options. If they do not want to, or can not install nada or mate, then they are welcome to wait for a sited colleague to do the WebEx with them.

Usually we do a WebEx with a customer, because we need to see how they have broken something on their system, or what they have done that they haven't told us about, so just having them watch my screen doesn't really help in this particular situation.

Cheers, Jen.

On 6/23/15, Scott Granados wrote:

...

I’ve had moderate luck with go to meeting and join.mehttp://join.me under Voice Over. This is strictly say allowing a support person to watch my screen for remote support etc. I really haven’t had much luck on the flip side of that but basic functions should be available.

On Jun 23, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Troy Hergert mailto:thergert@vision-forward.org> wrote:

Has anyone been able to work with join.mehttp://join.me with screen readers. I've had to get sighted assistance just to initiate the session. Has any particular screen reader been easier with join.mehttp://join.me? Thanks.

Troy Hergert -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:04 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Which program do people recommend for terminal sharing?

What about something like goto meeting or join.mehttp://join.mehttp://join.me?

Now they aren’t the most accessible if someone wants you to log in to their machine but if someone logs in to yours they can observe you with out much issue and you can choose whether to grant access / share or not. I do this all the time when someone from JTAC wants to work with me on a routing problem.

On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Jen Bottom mailto:jen.bottom@gmail.commailto:jen.bottom@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks all for your suggestions so far.

I may have this wrong, but I think that if a user wants to share their terminal using screen, they would need to connect directly to my system, or I to theirs.

This may not be great, as I would have to expose my work machine perhaps a bit more than it already is. Currently I can only get to it outside the office via VPN.

It seems that Tmux and Tmate use a server, so potentially I could set one up in-house and this would be the only thing I would need to expose.

This is probably not really much of an issue, as if you are sharing a terminal session with someone, whether it's via a server or not, they could still potentially do nasty stuff, if you don't keep an eye on things, but think IT would rather have a separate server they can control, rather than exposing my Mac.

Any thoughts on this point?

So far I'm thinking Tmate is the tool I will choose, though it requires a bit more overhead to install than Tmux (you have to add the PPA first) and Screen is even present on Macs by default.

I feel however, that once it's installed, the commands are perhaps a little easier to get used to then those of Tmux or screen. Quite a few customer's who admin the products I need to support in this way, are not very clued up about the command line at all and are just used to using WebEx type tools.

Anyway if they really need to show me some stuff, at least now they have an option :)

Cheers, Jen.

On 6/12/15, Sean Murphy mailto:mhysnm1964@gmail.commailto:mhysnm1964@gmail.com> wrote: I had issues with screen and using a serial link. I found Voice-over not reading the whole line from the beginning.

Sean On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:33 am, Scott Granados mailto:scott@granados-llc.netmailto:scott@granados-llc.net> wrote:

+1 on screen, been a big time screen user since the mid 90S.

Disagree on voice over’s usability in term but that’s a personal preference thing.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bram Duvigneau mailto:bram@bramd.nlmailto:bram@bramd.nl> wrote:

Hi Jen,

The boxes you hear are probably due to different terminal sizes. If I remember correctly, Tmux fills the rest of the terminal with little boxes if your terminal is larger then the one at the other side. You can set your terminal size in the Terminal.app preferences on the Mac.

I usually use GNU Screen, but haven't looked in Tmux yet. I thought Tmux had some features that Screen is lacking, but Screen works well for me so far so never tried somethign else. Screen draws a horizontal line and leaves the bottom of the screen empty if your terminal is larger, that should give less issues. My personal opinion is that VO speech is not good enough to do serious terminal work, I always prefer a braille display and BRLTTY for that.

Bram On 6/8/2015 5:51 PM, Jen Bottom wrote: Hi,

One of the products I support lives on Linux boxes, so I have been exploring the possibility of using something like 'tmux' or 'tmate', for times when it is useful to see what the customer themselves is doing on their box as they do it.

So far I have found 'tmate' ok, but 'speak' does seem to like reading out bits of the session from before. reading up from the bottom of the window seems to work ok though. Also, if I create the 'tmate' session on my Mac all is good, but if I connect to someone els's session, VO seems to get very hung up on telling me about light box drawings.

Any thoughts on the best solutions for terminal sharing are very much appreciated.

Cheers, Jen.

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I know there are Microsoft services that do this but I assumed you meant unix. If you’re using a *nix variant you should be able to solve this problem any number of ways.

On Jun 29, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Jen Bottom wrote:

I found GoToMeeting quite usable for connecting to a meeting.

I have not yet found a screen-sharing solution, that will enable me to hear what is on the other person's screen, via a screen-reader, or read it with a braille display.

I am currently talking to my manager and our director about getting a 'mate' server in-house and an 'nada-remote' server, when it is available.

At least this way I will be able to offer customer's these options. If they do not want to, or can not install nada or mate, then they are welcome to wait for a sited colleague to do the WebEx with them.

Usually we do a WebEx with a customer, because we need to see how they have broken something on their system, or what they have done that they haven't told us about, so just having them watch my screen doesn't really help in this particular situation.

Cheers, Jen.

On 6/23/15, Scott Granados wrote:

...

I’ve had moderate luck with go to meeting and join.mehttp://join.me under Voice Over. This is strictly say allowing a support person to watch my screen for remote support etc. I really haven’t had much luck on the flip side of that but basic functions should be available.

On Jun 23, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Troy Hergert mailto:thergert@vision-forward.org> wrote:

Has anyone been able to work with join.mehttp://join.me with screen readers. I've had to get sighted assistance just to initiate the session. Has any particular screen reader been easier with join.mehttp://join.me? Thanks.

Troy Hergert -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:04 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Which program do people recommend for terminal sharing?

What about something like goto meeting or join.mehttp://join.mehttp://join.me?

Now they aren’t the most accessible if someone wants you to log in to their machine but if someone logs in to yours they can observe you with out much issue and you can choose whether to grant access / share or not. I do this all the time when someone from JTAC wants to work with me on a routing problem.

On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Jen Bottom mailto:jen.bottom@gmail.commailto:jen.bottom@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks all for your suggestions so far.

I may have this wrong, but I think that if a user wants to share their terminal using screen, they would need to connect directly to my system, or I to theirs.

This may not be great, as I would have to expose my work machine perhaps a bit more than it already is. Currently I can only get to it outside the office via VPN.

It seems that Tmux and Tmate use a server, so potentially I could set one up in-house and this would be the only thing I would need to expose.

This is probably not really much of an issue, as if you are sharing a terminal session with someone, whether it's via a server or not, they could still potentially do nasty stuff, if you don't keep an eye on things, but think IT would rather have a separate server they can control, rather than exposing my Mac.

Any thoughts on this point?

So far I'm thinking Tmate is the tool I will choose, though it requires a bit more overhead to install than Tmux (you have to add the PPA first) and Screen is even present on Macs by default.

I feel however, that once it's installed, the commands are perhaps a little easier to get used to then those of Tmux or screen. Quite a few customer's who admin the products I need to support in this way, are not very clued up about the command line at all and are just used to using WebEx type tools.

Anyway if they really need to show me some stuff, at least now they have an option :)

Cheers, Jen.

On 6/12/15, Sean Murphy mailto:mhysnm1964@gmail.commailto:mhysnm1964@gmail.com> wrote: I had issues with screen and using a serial link. I found Voice-over not reading the whole line from the beginning.

Sean On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:33 am, Scott Granados mailto:scott@granados-llc.netmailto:scott@granados-llc.net> wrote:

+1 on screen, been a big time screen user since the mid 90S.

Disagree on voice over’s usability in term but that’s a personal preference thing.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bram Duvigneau mailto:bram@bramd.nlmailto:bram@bramd.nl> wrote:

Hi Jen,

The boxes you hear are probably due to different terminal sizes. If I remember correctly, Tmux fills the rest of the terminal with little boxes if your terminal is larger then the one at the other side. You can set your terminal size in the Terminal.app preferences on the Mac.

I usually use GNU Screen, but haven't looked in Tmux yet. I thought Tmux had some features that Screen is lacking, but Screen works well for me so far so never tried somethign else. Screen draws a horizontal line and leaves the bottom of the screen empty if your terminal is larger, that should give less issues. My personal opinion is that VO speech is not good enough to do serious terminal work, I always prefer a braille display and BRLTTY for that.

Bram On 6/8/2015 5:51 PM, Jen Bottom wrote: Hi,

One of the products I support lives on Linux boxes, so I have been exploring the possibility of using something like 'tmux' or 'tmate', for times when it is useful to see what the customer themselves is doing on their box as they do it.

So far I have found 'tmate' ok, but 'speak' does seem to like reading out bits of the session from before. reading up from the bottom of the window seems to work ok though. Also, if I create the 'tmate' session on my Mac all is good, but if I connect to someone els's session, VO seems to get very hung up on telling me about light box drawings.

Any thoughts on the best solutions for terminal sharing are very much appreciated.

Cheers, Jen.

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Thanks all for your suggestions so far. I may have this wrong, but I think that if a user wants to share their terminal using screen, they would need to connect directly to my system, or I to theirs. This may not be great, as I would have to expose my work machine perhaps a bit more than it already is. Currently I can only get to it outside the office via VPN. It seems that Tmux and Tmate use a server, so potentially I could set one up in-house and this would be the only thing I would need to expose. This is probably not really much of an issue, as if you are sharing a terminal session with someone, whether it's via a server or not, they could still potentially do nasty stuff, if you don't keep an eye on things, but think IT would rather have a separate server they can control, rather than exposing my Mac. Any thoughts on this point? So far I'm thinking Tmate is the tool I will choose, though it requires a bit more overhead to install than Tmux (you have to add the PPA first) and Screen is even present on Macs by default. I feel however, that once it's installed, the commands are perhaps a little easier to get used to then those of Tmux or screen. Quite a few customer's who admin the products I need to support in this way, are not very clued up about the command line at all and are just used to using WebEx type tools. Anyway if they really need to show me some stuff, at least now they have an option :) Cheers, Jen. On 6/12/15, Sean Murphy wrote:

I had issues with screen and using a serial link. I found Voice-over not reading the whole line from the beginning.

Sean

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On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:33 am, Scott Granados wrote:

+1 on screen, been a big time screen user since the mid 90S.

Disagree on voice over’s usability in term but that’s a personal preference thing.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bram Duvigneau wrote:

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Hi Jen,

The boxes you hear are probably due to different terminal sizes. If I remember correctly, Tmux fills the rest of the terminal with little boxes if your terminal is larger then the one at the other side. You can set your terminal size in the Terminal.app preferences on the Mac.

I usually use GNU Screen, but haven't looked in Tmux yet. I thought Tmux had some features that Screen is lacking, but Screen works well for me so far so never tried somethign else. Screen draws a horizontal line and leaves the bottom of the screen empty if your terminal is larger, that should give less issues. My personal opinion is that VO speech is not good enough to do serious terminal work, I always prefer a braille display and BRLTTY for that.

Bram On 6/8/2015 5:51 PM, Jen Bottom wrote:

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Hi,

One of the products I support lives on Linux boxes, so I have been exploring the possibility of using something like 'tmux' or 'tmate', for times when it is useful to see what the customer themselves is doing on their box as they do it.

So far I have found 'tmate' ok, but 'speak' does seem to like reading out bits of the session from before. reading up from the bottom of the window seems to work ok though. Also, if I create the 'tmate' session on my Mac all is good, but if I connect to someone els's session, VO seems to get very hung up on telling me about light box drawings.

Any thoughts on the best solutions for terminal sharing are very much appreciated.

Cheers, Jen.

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