This is like telling people Jaws sucks switch to NVDA then being shocked when they complain excell is barely usable and powerpoint is unusable. Seriously? Get a Mac is hardly helpful advice after the fallout from flashback. Now the Mac is being targetted with this sort of Malware it isn't a safe platform these days. Switch platform is rarely good advice to give even if in jest unless you can justify the reasons for the switch and insure no loss of functionality. It's personal choice however for many the needs they have outway what the Mac can do in certain key areas. Peple enjoy the Mac but I don't yet know too many blind people that do real work on the Mac interoperating with the windows world efficiently and seamlessly. You'd better also hope whoever is using it doesn't want excellent terminal window support, apreciates only having 1 or 2 OCR solutions and enjoys having a couple of browsers to view sites with. firefox is still unusable on the Mac right now, Chrome is getting there but not ready for prime time and Saphari is getting better but still drops the ball far too often. Facebook anyone? There is no alternative to webvism on the Mac as far as I know and no easy way to solve capchas which aren't going away. Fusion tends to corrupt virtual machines without warning so running Micros~1 Windo~1s so you can do sensible editing of tables footnotes etc in word documents in a meaningful manner without fighting with pages is not as easy as it should be. Outlook is inaccessible on the Mac and unstable to boot, so there goes your ability to interact with a majority of organizations and their calendars and mail systems in a native manner. Don't tell me to buy an iphone, the calendar is broken there also especially where hitting the all-day button crashes voiceover. Not to mention there is no way to schedule and untimed event. don't look at it the wrong way when you're syncing with pc and I-cloud or you'll get double contacts. If you're suggesting OSX server i'll just run away and scream. We had an X-serve at the academy with drives that failed out of the array every 3 days and terribly broken and dated installs of Mailman with tools that made managing the whole mess almost impossible. You had to use the tools or your careful edits to apache's configuration would get smashed by server manager. We replaced the Mac with a Pc Running Ubuntu and all the problems went away sadly. Teamtalk isn't accessible on the Mac and no plans to make it so, this is a big show stopper for many. Efficiency in the Mac interface has a ways to go. I've personally tried Mac and found it wanting more than windows. Finder just does so well with network drives or large external drives where it decides to look into all your music files. Yeah buy a mac! We've all got nothing better to do than learn another paradime. Oh and i've seen Macs torn apart by nasties, even with time machine backups they're fun to rebuild. regards, Kerry. On 22/05/2012 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Get a mac, that's my solution. ;) I'm kidding. What I really meant to say is run and get a mac.

No, if you don't get your problem resolved let me know. I have a few very good windows admins that I work with who I'd be happy to forward the question on to. I think Kerry is on the money though with that suggestion.

If that doesn't work, replace it with a mac.:)

Ok, I'll stop now

On May 22, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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I'd get rid of it with revo uninstaller available from ninite and then reinstall fresh. that might work.

regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 8:16 AM, David Mehler wrote:

...

Hello,

I've got an xpsp3 pro box that is having a problem updating Security Essentials. Apparently about a week back the box began an automatic download and install of definition updates, something happened and it was not successful. I've rebooted, tried it myself from the Essentials interface and not had any luck, It's looking for a file that's in a nonexistent path.

I've cleared out the windows update cache in %windir%\SoftwareDistribution, rebooted, and again reran the update no good.

I then manually downloaded Security Essentials from Microsoft and atempted to uninstall the existing copy intending to install the download. That also failed while looking for a file in a nonexistent path. I tried to install the file over the existing copy, an update, that didn't work.

Finally, I have downloaded the latest definition updates two files one a definition the other a net file of some kind, ran those, seemed to work alright, but didn't do anything I wasn't prompted at all. I rebooted again and thinking the files were now in place for an update tried again from security essentials, this did not work.

Urgently need help!

Thanks. Dave.

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Hello, Thanks to everyone. Scott, no Mac experience unfortunately, and they're a little out of my price range. I have however not got the problem fixed. I followed Kerry's suggestion, got the revo and uninstalled essentials, that worked fine. When I used the ninite installer it bombed out with a timeout, checking the installer window it was looking for the essentials msi file which it apparently did not find. Still open to suggestions. Thanks. Dave. On 5/22/12, Scott Granados wrote:

Ok now you're just smoking crack. Honestly you do not sound like an actually apple user but like someone who creates hit pieces.

That being said (and I'm sure that's not the case just how you come off, you've made many untrue statements).

First, numbers and pages are not difficult to work with. In fact I'd dare say you gain a ton of functionality not lose it by switching away from microsoft. The flow of the interface is much more natural and true to Microsoft form running word or outlook is like a slow painful tooth extraction with out anesthetic. I'm also not sure what you're talking about when it comes to calendar functionality. You've got tight integration with google, iCloud of course and can sync pretty much where ever you need to. I collaborate with a team in California all the time and the calendaring services on my Mac, iPhone, pad and pod lock in nicely with what they are using. The iPhone provides good exchange support if you must and I sync with our exchange server out west. (even if exchange is orders of magnitude slower in processing mail etc you still have the option if you must. I also have no idea what you're talking about with the vm images. I've been running fusion since 2007 - 08 and haven't run in to that one. I don't really consider running VMWare images an edge on the mac though since that functionality is supported jet about anywhere and very well in most cases. The only thing I found using Microsoft in a VM useful for though was migrating from windows. I still had that familiar interface while I was migrating to voice over and learning a new way of doing things. Once I was comfortable and my features I needed were migrated I just erased the windows VM, my over priced screen reader and haven't looked back. I also can't believe you went in to secure as an argument for Microsoft anything. Microsoft is an antonym for security in the latest thesaurus.:) While you're absolutely right that Apple is becoming a larger target do to their increase in market share, the OS is build on an inherently more secure platform to start with. Everything has holes yes, and everything can be exploited but a closed badly written OS does not make for a secure environment. One of the big issues is let's face it, windows started life as a consumer OS. That's not a great place to start when security and stability are your concern. Let's talk hardware for a second. I'll stack my Mac against the crap Dell is spewing out any day of the week. I have a customer who had a 75% DOA rate on his last order from Dell and the remainder of the machines all but 1 died with in 60 days and required on site maintenance. the feel of a Windows based laptop against a mac in terms of performance is just no comparison. Windows native laptops just crawl even with stupid amounts of processing power and custom installations with no bloat ware. Can I go to Frys or Central Computer and buy better hardware, build my own solution and start from scratch. Well, as a blind user not entirely. I can handle the assembly but that windows install (at least until 8 is released) is a bitch so I don't find that practical. I also would rather pay a bit more and walk out with a finished solution than have a day worth of assembly etc. I can pay my local store but what if I want support across the country? This is why I am doing an apples to apples (pardon the pun) comparison between two major providers of hardware. You have some good points and I do agree that all systems have their place and attractors / detractors but I just think Microsoft has had a 25+ year run of producing bull shit that has burned so many professionals that we're not willing to cut them any more slack. Just because a company has a monopoly does not make them a producer of good products and that's ok because in many cases eventually the customers, or at least a certain subset jump ship and move to a better solution. People, even on the consumer side are moving away from crappy NT based or 2K kernel or yada yada environment s to more stable unix based and or new custom platforms and that's a good thing. just like Cisco used to monopolize the network space (especially the service provider space) and Juniper came along and ate their lunch. It's just my personal opinion of course but one based on a 20+ year career in the large enterprise or service provider space that I would never allow my business to depend on a Microsoft product if I could possibly avoid it. But as my favorite radio talk show host Gene Burns used to say, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.:) To each their own and all that.

On May 22, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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This is like telling people Jaws sucks switch to NVDA then being shocked when they complain excell is barely usable and powerpoint is unusable. Seriously? Get a Mac is hardly helpful advice after the fallout from flashback. Now the Mac is being targetted with this sort of Malware it isn't a safe platform these days.

Switch platform is rarely good advice to give even if in jest unless you can justify the reasons for the switch and insure no loss of functionality.

It's personal choice however for many the needs they have outway what the Mac can do in certain key areas.

Peple enjoy the Mac but I don't yet know too many blind people that do real work on the Mac interoperating with the windows world efficiently and seamlessly.

You'd better also hope whoever is using it doesn't want excellent terminal window support, apreciates only having 1 or 2 OCR solutions and enjoys having a couple of browsers to view sites with.

firefox is still unusable on the Mac right now, Chrome is getting there but not ready for prime time and Saphari is getting better but still drops the ball far too often. Facebook anyone? There is no alternative to webvism on the Mac as far as I know and no easy way to solve capchas which aren't going away.

Fusion tends to corrupt virtual machines without warning so running Micros~1 Windo~1s so you can do sensible editing of tables footnotes etc in word documents in a meaningful manner without fighting with pages is not as easy as it should be.

Outlook is inaccessible on the Mac and unstable to boot, so there goes your ability to interact with a majority of organizations and their calendars and mail systems in a native manner.

Don't tell me to buy an iphone, the calendar is broken there also especially where hitting the all-day button crashes voiceover. Not to mention there is no way to schedule and untimed event. don't look at it the wrong way when you're syncing with pc and I-cloud or you'll get double contacts.

If you're suggesting OSX server i'll just run away and scream. We had an X-serve at the academy with drives that failed out of the array every 3 days and terribly broken and dated installs of Mailman with tools that made managing the whole mess almost impossible. You had to use the tools or your careful edits to apache's configuration would get smashed by server manager.

We replaced the Mac with a Pc Running Ubuntu and all the problems went away sadly.

Teamtalk isn't accessible on the Mac and no plans to make it so, this is a big show stopper for many. Efficiency in the Mac interface has a ways to go. I've personally tried Mac and found it wanting more than windows. Finder just does so well with network drives or large external drives where it decides to look into all your music files.

Yeah buy a mac! We've all got nothing better to do than learn another paradime.

Oh and i've seen Macs torn apart by nasties, even with time machine backups they're fun to rebuild. regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

Get a mac, that's my solution. ;) I'm kidding. What I really meant to say is run and get a mac.

No, if you don't get your problem resolved let me know. I have a few very good windows admins that I work with who I'd be happy to forward the question on to. I think Kerry is on the money though with that suggestion.

If that doesn't work, replace it with a mac.:)

Ok, I'll stop now

On May 22, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I'd get rid of it with revo uninstaller available from ninite and then reinstall fresh. that might work.

regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 8:16 AM, David Mehler wrote:

...

Hello,

I've got an xpsp3 pro box that is having a problem updating Security Essentials. Apparently about a week back the box began an automatic download and install of definition updates, something happened and it was not successful. I've rebooted, tried it myself from the Essentials interface and not had any luck, It's looking for a file that's in a nonexistent path.

I've cleared out the windows update cache in %windir%\SoftwareDistribution, rebooted, and again reran the update no good.

I then manually downloaded Security Essentials from Microsoft and atempted to uninstall the existing copy intending to install the download. That also failed while looking for a file in a nonexistent path. I tried to install the file over the existing copy, an update, that didn't work.

Finally, I have downloaded the latest definition updates two files one a definition the other a net file of some kind, ran those, seemed to work alright, but didn't do anything I wasn't prompted at all. I rebooted again and thinking the files were now in place for an update tried again from security essentials, this did not work.

Urgently need help!

Thanks. Dave.

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Ok now you're just smoking crack. Honestly you do not sound like an actually apple user but like someone who creates hit pieces.

That being said (and I'm sure that's not the case just how you come off, you've made many untrue statements).

First, numbers and pages are not difficult to work with. In fact I'd dare say you gain a ton of functionality not lose it by switching away from microsoft. The flow of the interface is much more natural and true to Microsoft form running word or outlook is like a slow painful tooth extraction with out anesthetic. I'm also not sure what you're talking about when it comes to calendar functionality. You've got tight integration with google, iCloud of course and can sync pretty much where ever you need to. I collaborate with a team in California all the time and the calendaring services on my Mac, iPhone, pad and pod lock in nicely with what they are using. The iPhone provides good exchange support if you must and I sync with our exchange server out west. (even if exchange is orders of magnitude slower in processing mail etc you still have the option if you must. I also have no idea what you're talking about with the vm images. I've been running fusion since 2007 - 08 and haven't run in to that one. I don't really consider running VMWare images an edge on the mac though since

functionality is supported jet about anywhere and very well in most cases. The only thing I found using Microsoft in a VM useful for though was migrating from windows. I still had that familiar interface while I was migrating to voice over and learning a new way of doing things. Once I was comfortable and my features I needed were migrated I just erased the windows VM, my over priced screen reader and haven't looked back. I also can't believe you went in to secure as an argument for Microsoft anything. Microsoft is an antonym for security in the latest

While you're absolutely right that Apple is becoming a larger target do to their increase in market share, the OS is build on an inherently more secure platform to start with. Everything has holes yes, and everything can be exploited but a closed badly written OS does not make for a secure environment. One of the big issues is let's face it, windows started

as a consumer OS. That's not a great place to start when security and stability are your concern. Let's talk hardware for a second. I'll stack my Mac against the crap Dell is spewing out any day of the week. I have a customer who had a 75% DOA rate on his last order from Dell and the remainder of the machines all but 1 died with in 60 days and required on site maintenance. the feel of a Windows based laptop against a mac in terms of performance is just no comparison. Windows native laptops just crawl even with stupid amounts of processing power and custom installations with no bloat ware. Can I go to Frys or Central Computer and buy better hardware, build my own solution and start from scratch. Well, as a blind user not entirely. I can handle

assembly but that windows install (at least until 8 is released) is a bitch so I don't find that practical. I also would rather pay a bit more and walk out with a finished solution than have a day worth of assembly etc. I can pay my local store but what if I want support across the country? This is why I am doing an apples to apples (pardon the pun) comparison between two major providers of hardware. You have some good points and I do agree that all systems have

and attractors / detractors but I just think Microsoft has had a 25+ year run of producing bull shit that has burned so many professionals that we're not willing to cut them any more slack. Just because a company has a monopoly does not make them a

products and that's ok because in many cases eventually the customers, or at least a certain subset jump ship and move to a better solution. People, even on the consumer side are moving away from crappy NT based or 2K kernel or yada yada environment s to more stable unix based and or new custom platforms and that's a good thing. just like Cisco used to monopolize

network space (especially the service provider space) and Juniper came along and ate their lunch. It's just my personal opinion of course but one

on a 20+ year career in the large enterprise or service provider space

I would never allow my business to depend on a Microsoft product if I could possibly avoid it. But as my favorite radio talk show host Gene Burns used to say,

they make chocolate and vanilla.:) To each their own and all that.

On May 22, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

This is like telling people Jaws sucks switch to NVDA then being shocked when they complain excell is barely usable and powerpoint is unusable. Seriously? Get a Mac is hardly helpful advice after the fallout from flashback. Now the Mac is being targetted with this sort of Malware it isn't a safe platform these days.

Switch platform is rarely good advice to give even if in jest unless you can justify the reasons for the switch and insure no loss of functionality.

It's personal choice however for many the needs they have outway what the Mac can do in certain key areas.

Peple enjoy the Mac but I don't yet know too many blind people that do real work on the Mac interoperating with the windows world efficiently and seamlessly.

You'd better also hope whoever is using it doesn't want excellent terminal window support, apreciates only having 1 or 2 OCR solutions and enjoys having a couple of browsers to view sites with.

firefox is still unusable on the Mac right now, Chrome is getting

...

but not ready for prime time and Saphari is getting better but still drops the ball far too often. Facebook anyone? There is no alternative to webvism on the Mac as far as I know and no easy way to solve capchas which aren't going away.

Fusion tends to corrupt virtual machines without warning so running Micros~1 Windo~1s so you can do sensible editing of tables footnotes etc in word documents in a meaningful manner without fighting with pages is not as easy as it should be.

Outlook is inaccessible on the Mac and unstable to boot, so there goes your ability to interact with a majority of organizations and their calendars and mail systems in a native manner.

Don't tell me to buy an iphone, the calendar is broken there also especially where hitting the all-day button crashes voiceover. Not to mention there is no way to schedule and untimed event. don't look at it the wrong way when you're syncing with pc and I-cloud or you'll get double contacts.

If you're suggesting OSX server i'll just run away and scream. We had an X-serve at the academy with drives that failed out of the array every 3 days and terribly broken and dated installs of Mailman with tools

...

made managing the whole mess almost impossible. You had to use the tools or your careful edits to apache's configuration would get smashed by server manager.

We replaced the Mac with a Pc Running Ubuntu and all the problems went away sadly.

Teamtalk isn't accessible on the Mac and no plans to make it so, this is a big show stopper for many. Efficiency in the Mac interface has a ways to go. I've personally tried Mac and found it wanting more than windows. Finder just does so well with network drives or large external drives where it decides to look into all your music files.

Yeah buy a mac! We've all got nothing better to do than learn another paradime.

Oh and i've seen Macs torn apart by nasties, even with time machine backups they're fun to rebuild. regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

Get a mac, that's my solution. ;) I'm kidding. What I really meant to say is run and get a mac.

No, if you don't get your problem resolved let me know. I have a few very good windows admins that I work with who I'd be happy to forward the question on to. I think Kerry is on the money though with that suggestion.

If that doesn't work, replace it with a mac.:)

Ok, I'll stop now

On May 22, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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I'd get rid of it with revo uninstaller available from ninite and

Hi Dave Sometimes instead of selecting run from the NINITE installer, you can select save. Then run the downloaded file. This way if it times out, you can run it again later on. Vic -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] urgent problem with Security Essentials update Hello, Thanks to everyone. Scott, no Mac experience unfortunately, and they're a little out of my price range. I have however not got the problem fixed. I followed Kerry's suggestion, got the revo and uninstalled essentials, that worked fine. When I used the ninite installer it bombed out with a timeout, checking the installer window it was looking for the essentials msi file which it apparently did not find. Still open to suggestions. Thanks. Dave. On 5/22/12, Scott Granados wrote: that thesaurus.:) life the their place producer of good the based that that's why there that then

...

...

...

reinstall fresh. that might work.

regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 8:16 AM, David Mehler wrote:

...

Hello,

I've got an xpsp3 pro box that is having a problem updating Security Essentials. Apparently about a week back the box began an automatic download and install of definition updates, something happened and it was not successful. I've rebooted, tried it myself from the Essentials interface and not had any luck, It's looking for a file that's in a nonexistent path.

I've cleared out the windows update cache in %windir%\SoftwareDistribution, rebooted, and again reran the update no good.

I then manually downloaded Security Essentials from Microsoft and atempted to uninstall the existing copy intending to install the download. That also failed while looking for a file in a nonexistent path. I tried to install the file over the existing copy, an update, that didn't work.

Finally, I have downloaded the latest definition updates two files one a definition the other a net file of some kind, ran those, seemed to work alright, but didn't do anything I wasn't prompted at all. I rebooted again and thinking the files were now in place for an update tried again from security essentials, this did not work.

Urgently need help!

Thanks. Dave.

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Well, 1 thing u might wanna check is whether or not there's malware on that box. On 5/22/12, Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca wrote:

Hi Dave

Sometimes instead of selecting run from the NINITE installer, you can select save. Then run the downloaded file. This way if it times out, you can run it again later on.

Vic

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Hello,

Thanks to everyone.

Scott, no Mac experience unfortunately, and they're a little out of my price range.

I have however not got the problem fixed. I followed Kerry's suggestion, got the revo and uninstalled essentials, that worked fine. When I used the ninite installer it bombed out with a timeout, checking the installer window it was looking for the essentials msi file which it apparently did not find.

Still open to suggestions.

Thanks. Dave.

...

Ok now you're just smoking crack. Honestly you do not sound like an actually apple user but like someone who creates hit pieces.

That being said (and I'm sure that's not the case just how you come off, you've made many untrue statements).

First, numbers and pages are not difficult to work with. In fact I'd dare say you gain a ton of functionality not lose it by switching away from microsoft. The flow of the interface is much more natural and true to Microsoft form running word or outlook is like a slow painful tooth extraction with out anesthetic. I'm also not sure what you're talking about when it comes to calendar functionality. You've got tight integration with google, iCloud of course and can sync pretty much where ever you need to. I collaborate with a team in California all the time and the calendaring services on my Mac, iPhone, pad and pod lock in nicely with what they are using. The iPhone provides good exchange support if you must and I sync with our exchange server out west. (even if exchange is orders of magnitude slower in processing mail etc you still have the option if you must. I also have no idea what you're talking about with the vm images. I've been running fusion since 2007 - 08 and haven't run in to that one. I don't really consider running VMWare images an edge on the mac though since

...

functionality is supported jet about anywhere and very well in most cases. The only thing I found using Microsoft in a VM useful for though was migrating from windows. I still had that familiar interface while I was migrating to voice over and learning a new way of doing things. Once I was comfortable and my features I needed were migrated I just erased the windows VM, my over priced screen reader and haven't looked back. I also can't believe you went in to secure as an argument for Microsoft anything. Microsoft is an antonym for security in the latest

...

While you're absolutely right that Apple is becoming a larger target do to their increase in market share, the OS is build on an inherently more secure platform to start with. Everything has holes yes, and everything can be exploited but a closed badly written OS does not make for a secure environment. One of the big issues is let's face it, windows started

...

as a consumer OS. That's not a great place to start when security and stability are your concern. Let's talk hardware for a second. I'll stack my Mac against the crap Dell is spewing out any day of the week. I have a customer who had a 75% DOA rate on his last order from Dell and the remainder of the machines all but 1 died with in 60 days and required on site maintenance. the feel of a Windows based laptop against a mac in terms of performance is just no comparison. Windows native laptops just crawl even with stupid amounts of processing power and custom installations with no bloat ware. Can I go to Frys or Central Computer and buy better hardware, build my own solution and start from scratch. Well, as a blind user not entirely. I can handle

...

assembly but that windows install (at least until 8 is released) is a bitch so I don't find that practical. I also would rather pay a bit more and walk out with a finished solution than have a day worth of assembly etc. I can pay my local store but what if I want support across the country? This is why I am doing an apples to apples (pardon the pun) comparison between two major providers of hardware. You have some good points and I do agree that all systems have

...

and attractors / detractors but I just think Microsoft has had a 25+ year run of producing bull shit that has burned so many professionals that we're not willing to cut them any more slack. Just because a company has a monopoly does not make them a

...

products and that's ok because in many cases eventually the customers, or at least a certain subset jump ship and move to a better solution. People, even on the consumer side are moving away from crappy NT based or 2K kernel or yada yada environment s to more stable unix based and or new custom platforms and that's a good thing. just like Cisco used to monopolize

...

network space (especially the service provider space) and Juniper came along and ate their lunch. It's just my personal opinion of course but one

...

on a 20+ year career in the large enterprise or service provider space

...

I would never allow my business to depend on a Microsoft product if I could possibly avoid it. But as my favorite radio talk show host Gene Burns used to say,

...

they make chocolate and vanilla.:) To each their own and all that.

On May 22, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

This is like telling people Jaws sucks switch to NVDA then being shocked when they complain excell is barely usable and powerpoint is unusable. Seriously? Get a Mac is hardly helpful advice after the fallout from flashback. Now the Mac is being targetted with this sort of Malware it isn't a safe platform these days.

Switch platform is rarely good advice to give even if in jest unless you can justify the reasons for the switch and insure no loss of functionality.

It's personal choice however for many the needs they have outway what the Mac can do in certain key areas.

Peple enjoy the Mac but I don't yet know too many blind people that do real work on the Mac interoperating with the windows world efficiently and seamlessly.

You'd better also hope whoever is using it doesn't want excellent terminal window support, apreciates only having 1 or 2 OCR solutions and enjoys having a couple of browsers to view sites with.

firefox is still unusable on the Mac right now, Chrome is getting

...

...

but not ready for prime time and Saphari is getting better but still drops the ball far too often. Facebook anyone? There is no alternative to webvism on the Mac as far as I know and no easy way to solve capchas which aren't going away.

Fusion tends to corrupt virtual machines without warning so running Micros~1 Windo~1s so you can do sensible editing of tables footnotes etc in word documents in a meaningful manner without fighting with pages is not as easy as it should be.

Outlook is inaccessible on the Mac and unstable to boot, so there goes your ability to interact with a majority of organizations and their calendars and mail systems in a native manner.

Don't tell me to buy an iphone, the calendar is broken there also especially where hitting the all-day button crashes voiceover. Not to mention there is no way to schedule and untimed event. don't look at it the wrong way when you're syncing with pc and I-cloud or you'll get double contacts.

If you're suggesting OSX server i'll just run away and scream. We had an X-serve at the academy with drives that failed out of the array every 3 days and terribly broken and dated installs of Mailman with tools

...

...

made managing the whole mess almost impossible. You had to use the tools or your careful edits to apache's configuration would get smashed by server manager.

We replaced the Mac with a Pc Running Ubuntu and all the problems went away sadly.

Teamtalk isn't accessible on the Mac and no plans to make it so, this is a big show stopper for many. Efficiency in the Mac interface has a ways to go. I've personally tried Mac and found it wanting more than windows. Finder just does so well with network drives or large external drives where it decides to look into all your music files.

Yeah buy a mac! We've all got nothing better to do than learn another paradime.

Oh and i've seen Macs torn apart by nasties, even with time machine backups they're fun to rebuild. regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

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Get a mac, that's my solution. ;) I'm kidding. What I really meant to say is run and get a mac.

No, if you don't get your problem resolved let me know. I have a few very good windows admins that I work with who I'd be happy to forward the question on to. I think Kerry is on the money though with that suggestion.

If that doesn't work, replace it with a mac.:)

Ok, I'll stop now

On May 22, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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I'd get rid of it with revo uninstaller available from ninite and

On 5/22/12, Scott Granados wrote: that thesaurus.:) life the their place producer of good the based that that's why there that then

...

...

...

...

reinstall fresh. that might work.

regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 8:16 AM, David Mehler wrote:

...

Hello,

I've got an xpsp3 pro box that is having a problem updating Security Essentials. Apparently about a week back the box began an automatic download and install of definition updates, something happened and it was not successful. I've rebooted, tried it myself from the Essentials interface and not had any luck, It's looking for a file that's in a nonexistent path.

I've cleared out the windows update cache in %windir%\SoftwareDistribution, rebooted, and again reran the update no good.

I then manually downloaded Security Essentials from Microsoft and atempted to uninstall the existing copy intending to install the download. That also failed while looking for a file in a nonexistent path. I tried to install the file over the existing copy, an update, that didn't work.

Finally, I have downloaded the latest definition updates two files one a definition the other a net file of some kind, ran those, seemed to work alright, but didn't do anything I wasn't prompted at all. I rebooted again and thinking the files were now in place for an update tried again from security essentials, this did not work.

Urgently need help!

Thanks. Dave.

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Hi Dave

Sometimes instead of selecting run from the NINITE installer, you can select save. Then run the downloaded file. This way if it times out, you can run it again later on.

Vic

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] urgent problem with Security Essentials update

Hello,

Thanks to everyone.

Scott, no Mac experience unfortunately, and they're a little out of my price range.

I have however not got the problem fixed. I followed Kerry's suggestion, got the revo and uninstalled essentials, that worked fine. When I used the ninite installer it bombed out with a timeout, checking the installer window it was looking for the essentials msi file which it apparently did not find.

Still open to suggestions.

Thanks. Dave.

...

Ok now you're just smoking crack. Honestly you do not sound like an actually apple user but like someone who creates hit pieces.

That being said (and I'm sure that's not the case just how you come off, you've made many untrue statements).

First, numbers and pages are not difficult to work with. In fact I'd dare say you gain a ton of functionality not lose it by switching away from microsoft. The flow of the interface is much more natural and true to Microsoft form running word or outlook is like a slow painful tooth extraction with out anesthetic. I'm also not sure what you're talking about when it comes to calendar functionality. You've got tight integration with google, iCloud of course and can sync pretty much where ever you need to. I collaborate with a team in California all the time and the calendaring services on my Mac, iPhone, pad and pod lock in nicely with what they are using. The iPhone provides good exchange support if you must and I sync with our exchange server out west. (even if exchange is orders of magnitude slower in processing mail etc you still have the option if you must. I also have no idea what you're talking about with the vm images. I've been running fusion since 2007 - 08 and haven't run in to that one. I don't really consider running VMWare images an edge on the mac though since

...

functionality is supported jet about anywhere and very well in most cases. The only thing I found using Microsoft in a VM useful for though was migrating from windows. I still had that familiar interface while I was migrating to voice over and learning a new way of doing things. Once I was comfortable and my features I needed were migrated I just erased the windows VM, my over priced screen reader and haven't looked back. I also can't believe you went in to secure as an argument for Microsoft anything. Microsoft is an antonym for security in the latest

...

While you're absolutely right that Apple is becoming a larger target do to their increase in market share, the OS is build on an inherently more secure platform to start with. Everything has holes yes, and everything can be exploited but a closed badly written OS does not make for a secure environment. One of the big issues is let's face it, windows started

...

as a consumer OS. That's not a great place to start when security and stability are your concern. Let's talk hardware for a second. I'll stack my Mac against the crap Dell is spewing out any day of the week. I have a customer who had a 75% DOA rate on his last order from Dell and the remainder of the machines all but 1 died with in 60 days and required on site maintenance. the feel of a Windows based laptop against a mac in terms of performance is just no comparison. Windows native laptops just crawl even with stupid amounts of processing power and custom installations with no bloat ware. Can I go to Frys or Central Computer and buy better hardware, build my own solution and start from scratch. Well, as a blind user not entirely. I can handle

...

assembly but that windows install (at least until 8 is released) is a bitch so I don't find that practical. I also would rather pay a bit more and walk out with a finished solution than have a day worth of assembly etc. I can pay my local store but what if I want support across the country? This is why I am doing an apples to apples (pardon the pun) comparison between two major providers of hardware. You have some good points and I do agree that all systems have

...

and attractors / detractors but I just think Microsoft has had a 25+ year run of producing bull shit that has burned so many professionals that we're not willing to cut them any more slack. Just because a company has a monopoly does not make them a

...

products and that's ok because in many cases eventually the customers, or at least a certain subset jump ship and move to a better solution. People, even on the consumer side are moving away from crappy NT based or 2K kernel or yada yada environment s to more stable unix based and or new custom platforms and that's a good thing. just like Cisco used to monopolize

...

network space (especially the service provider space) and Juniper came along and ate their lunch. It's just my personal opinion of course but one

...

on a 20+ year career in the large enterprise or service provider space

...

I would never allow my business to depend on a Microsoft product if I could possibly avoid it. But as my favorite radio talk show host Gene Burns used to say,

...

they make chocolate and vanilla.:) To each their own and all that.

On May 22, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

This is like telling people Jaws sucks switch to NVDA then being shocked when they complain excell is barely usable and powerpoint is unusable. Seriously? Get a Mac is hardly helpful advice after the fallout from flashback. Now the Mac is being targetted with this sort of Malware it isn't a safe platform these days.

Switch platform is rarely good advice to give even if in jest unless you can justify the reasons for the switch and insure no loss of functionality.

It's personal choice however for many the needs they have outway what the Mac can do in certain key areas.

Peple enjoy the Mac but I don't yet know too many blind people that do real work on the Mac interoperating with the windows world efficiently and seamlessly.

You'd better also hope whoever is using it doesn't want excellent terminal window support, apreciates only having 1 or 2 OCR solutions and enjoys having a couple of browsers to view sites with.

firefox is still unusable on the Mac right now, Chrome is getting

...

...

but not ready for prime time and Saphari is getting better but still drops the ball far too often. Facebook anyone? There is no alternative to webvism on the Mac as far as I know and no easy way to solve capchas which aren't going away.

Fusion tends to corrupt virtual machines without warning so running Micros~1 Windo~1s so you can do sensible editing of tables footnotes etc in word documents in a meaningful manner without fighting with pages is not as easy as it should be.

Outlook is inaccessible on the Mac and unstable to boot, so there goes your ability to interact with a majority of organizations and their calendars and mail systems in a native manner.

Don't tell me to buy an iphone, the calendar is broken there also especially where hitting the all-day button crashes voiceover. Not to mention there is no way to schedule and untimed event. don't look at it the wrong way when you're syncing with pc and I-cloud or you'll get double contacts.

If you're suggesting OSX server i'll just run away and scream. We had an X-serve at the academy with drives that failed out of the array every 3 days and terribly broken and dated installs of Mailman with tools

On 5/22/12, Scott Granados wrote: that thesaurus.:) life the their place producer of good the based that that's why there that

...

...

made managing the whole mess almost impossible. You had to use the tools or your careful edits to apache's configuration would get smashed by server manager.

We replaced the Mac with a Pc Running Ubuntu and all the problems went away sadly.

Teamtalk isn't accessible on the Mac and no plans to make it so,

If you suspect malware, then download SpybBot Search and Destroy as well as Malware Bytes. Run both these applications twice and when they come up clean, then re-install Security Essentials. Vic -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:46 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] urgent problem with Security Essentials update Well, 1 thing u might wanna check is whether or not there's malware on that box. On 5/22/12, Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca wrote: this

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...

a big show stopper for many. Efficiency in the Mac interface has a ways to go. I've personally tried Mac and found it wanting more than windows. Finder just does so well with network drives or large external drives where it decides to look into all your music files.

Yeah buy a mac! We've all got nothing better to do than learn another paradime.

Oh and i've seen Macs torn apart by nasties, even with time machine backups they're fun to rebuild. regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

Get a mac, that's my solution. ;) I'm kidding. What I really meant to say is run and get a mac.

No, if you don't get your problem resolved let me know. I have a few very good windows admins that I work with who I'd be happy to forward the question on to. I think Kerry is on the money though with that suggestion.

If that doesn't work, replace it with a mac.:)

Ok, I'll stop now

On May 22, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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I'd get rid of it with revo uninstaller available from ninite and

is then

...

...

...

...

reinstall fresh. that might work.

regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 8:16 AM, David Mehler wrote:

...

Hello,

I've got an xpsp3 pro box that is having a problem updating Security Essentials. Apparently about a week back the box began an automatic download and install of definition updates, something happened and it was not successful. I've rebooted, tried it myself from the Essentials interface and not had any luck, It's looking for a file that's in a nonexistent path.

I've cleared out the windows update cache in %windir%\SoftwareDistribution, rebooted, and again reran the update no good.

I then manually downloaded Security Essentials from Microsoft and atempted to uninstall the existing copy intending to install the download. That also failed while looking for a file in a nonexistent path. I tried to install the file over the existing copy, an update, that didn't work.

Finally, I have downloaded the latest definition updates two files one a definition the other a net file of some kind, ran those, seemed to work alright, but didn't do anything I wasn't prompted at all. I rebooted again and thinking the files were now in place for an update tried again from security essentials, this did not work.

Urgently need help!

Thanks. Dave.

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HI Dave. not sure if you got it sorted yet. I have no idea if this is a production machine, and if it is, feel free to ignore the rest of this. I was invited to beta test the new version which is not released yet. If memory serves me correctly, I can invite a couple of other people as long as they suffer through the painfully long nda and all that. Perhaps the new version which requires that all current installations are removed would work for you? Write me back if interested. Brian. Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 22/05/2012 1:44 PM, Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca wrote:

Hi Dave

Sometimes instead of selecting run from the NINITE installer, you can select save. Then run the downloaded file. This way if it times out, you can run it again later on.

Vic

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] urgent problem with Security Essentials update

Hello,

Thanks to everyone.

Scott, no Mac experience unfortunately, and they're a little out of my price range.

I have however not got the problem fixed. I followed Kerry's suggestion, got the revo and uninstalled essentials, that worked fine. When I used the ninite installer it bombed out with a timeout, checking the installer window it was looking for the essentials msi file which it apparently did not find.

Still open to suggestions.

Thanks. Dave.

...

Ok now you're just smoking crack. Honestly you do not sound like an actually apple user but like someone who creates hit pieces.

That being said (and I'm sure that's not the case just how you come off, you've made many untrue statements).

First, numbers and pages are not difficult to work with. In fact I'd dare say you gain a ton of functionality not lose it by switching away from microsoft. The flow of the interface is much more natural and true to Microsoft form running word or outlook is like a slow painful tooth extraction with out anesthetic. I'm also not sure what you're talking about when it comes to calendar functionality. You've got tight integration with google, iCloud of course and can sync pretty much where ever you need to. I collaborate with a team in California all the time and the calendaring services on my Mac, iPhone, pad and pod lock in nicely with what they are using. The iPhone provides good exchange support if you must and I sync with our exchange server out west. (even if exchange is orders of magnitude slower in processing mail etc you still have the option if you must. I also have no idea what you're talking about with the vm images. I've been running fusion since 2007 - 08 and haven't run in to that one. I don't really consider running VMWare images an edge on the mac though since

...

functionality is supported jet about anywhere and very well in most cases. The only thing I found using Microsoft in a VM useful for though was migrating from windows. I still had that familiar interface while I was migrating to voice over and learning a new way of doing things. Once I was comfortable and my features I needed were migrated I just erased the windows VM, my over priced screen reader and haven't looked back. I also can't believe you went in to secure as an argument for Microsoft anything. Microsoft is an antonym for security in the latest

...

While you're absolutely right that Apple is becoming a larger target do to their increase in market share, the OS is build on an inherently more secure platform to start with. Everything has holes yes, and everything can be exploited but a closed badly written OS does not make for a secure environment. One of the big issues is let's face it, windows started

...

as a consumer OS. That's not a great place to start when security and stability are your concern. Let's talk hardware for a second. I'll stack my Mac against the crap Dell is spewing out any day of the week. I have a customer who had a 75% DOA rate on his last order from Dell and the remainder of the machines all but 1 died with in 60 days and required on site maintenance. the feel of a Windows based laptop against a mac in terms of performance is just no comparison. Windows native laptops just crawl even with stupid amounts of processing power and custom installations with no bloat ware. Can I go to Frys or Central Computer and buy better hardware, build my own solution and start from scratch. Well, as a blind user not entirely. I can handle

...

assembly but that windows install (at least until 8 is released) is a bitch so I don't find that practical. I also would rather pay a bit more and walk out with a finished solution than have a day worth of assembly etc. I can pay my local store but what if I want support across the country? This is why I am doing an apples to apples (pardon the pun) comparison between two major providers of hardware. You have some good points and I do agree that all systems have

...

and attractors / detractors but I just think Microsoft has had a 25+ year run of producing bull shit that has burned so many professionals that we're not willing to cut them any more slack. Just because a company has a monopoly does not make them a

...

products and that's ok because in many cases eventually the customers, or at least a certain subset jump ship and move to a better solution. People, even on the consumer side are moving away from crappy NT based or 2K kernel or yada yada environment s to more stable unix based and or new custom platforms and that's a good thing. just like Cisco used to monopolize

...

network space (especially the service provider space) and Juniper came along and ate their lunch. It's just my personal opinion of course but one

...

on a 20+ year career in the large enterprise or service provider space

...

I would never allow my business to depend on a Microsoft product if I could possibly avoid it. But as my favorite radio talk show host Gene Burns used to say,

...

they make chocolate and vanilla.:) To each their own and all that.

On May 22, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

This is like telling people Jaws sucks switch to NVDA then being shocked when they complain excell is barely usable and powerpoint is unusable. Seriously? Get a Mac is hardly helpful advice after the fallout from flashback. Now the Mac is being targetted with this sort of Malware it isn't a safe platform these days.

Switch platform is rarely good advice to give even if in jest unless you can justify the reasons for the switch and insure no loss of functionality.

It's personal choice however for many the needs they have outway what the Mac can do in certain key areas.

Peple enjoy the Mac but I don't yet know too many blind people that do real work on the Mac interoperating with the windows world efficiently and seamlessly.

You'd better also hope whoever is using it doesn't want excellent terminal window support, apreciates only having 1 or 2 OCR solutions and enjoys having a couple of browsers to view sites with.

firefox is still unusable on the Mac right now, Chrome is getting

...

...

but not ready for prime time and Saphari is getting better but still drops the ball far too often. Facebook anyone? There is no alternative to webvism on the Mac as far as I know and no easy way to solve capchas which aren't going away.

Fusion tends to corrupt virtual machines without warning so running Micros~1 Windo~1s so you can do sensible editing of tables footnotes etc in word documents in a meaningful manner without fighting with pages is not as easy as it should be.

Outlook is inaccessible on the Mac and unstable to boot, so there goes your ability to interact with a majority of organizations and their calendars and mail systems in a native manner.

Don't tell me to buy an iphone, the calendar is broken there also especially where hitting the all-day button crashes voiceover. Not to mention there is no way to schedule and untimed event. don't look at it the wrong way when you're syncing with pc and I-cloud or you'll get double contacts.

If you're suggesting OSX server i'll just run away and scream. We had an X-serve at the academy with drives that failed out of the array every 3 days and terribly broken and dated installs of Mailman with tools

...

...

made managing the whole mess almost impossible. You had to use the tools or your careful edits to apache's configuration would get smashed by server manager.

We replaced the Mac with a Pc Running Ubuntu and all the problems went away sadly.

Teamtalk isn't accessible on the Mac and no plans to make it so, this is a big show stopper for many. Efficiency in the Mac interface has a ways to go. I've personally tried Mac and found it wanting more than windows. Finder just does so well with network drives or large external drives where it decides to look into all your music files.

Yeah buy a mac! We've all got nothing better to do than learn another paradime.

Oh and i've seen Macs torn apart by nasties, even with time machine backups they're fun to rebuild. regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

Get a mac, that's my solution. ;) I'm kidding. What I really meant to say is run and get a mac.

No, if you don't get your problem resolved let me know. I have a few very good windows admins that I work with who I'd be happy to forward the question on to. I think Kerry is on the money though with that suggestion.

If that doesn't work, replace it with a mac.:)

Ok, I'll stop now

On May 22, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I'd get rid of it with revo uninstaller available from ninite and

On 5/22/12, Scott Granados wrote: that thesaurus.:) life the their place producer of good the based that that's why there that then

...

...

...

...

reinstall fresh. that might work.

regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 8:16 AM, David Mehler wrote:

...

Hello,

I've got an xpsp3 pro box that is having a problem updating Security Essentials. Apparently about a week back the box began an automatic download and install of definition updates, something happened and it was not successful. I've rebooted, tried it myself from the Essentials interface and not had any luck, It's looking for a file that's in a nonexistent path.

I've cleared out the windows update cache in %windir%\SoftwareDistribution, rebooted, and again reran the update no good.

I then manually downloaded Security Essentials from Microsoft and atempted to uninstall the existing copy intending to install the download. That also failed while looking for a file in a nonexistent path. I tried to install the file over the existing copy, an update, that didn't work.

Finally, I have downloaded the latest definition updates two files one a definition the other a net file of some kind, ran those, seemed to work alright, but didn't do anything I wasn't prompted at all. I rebooted again and thinking the files were now in place for an update tried again from security essentials, this did not work.

Urgently need help!

Thanks. Dave.

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Ok now you're just smoking crack. Honestly you do not sound like an actually apple user but like someone who creates hit pieces.

That being said (and I'm sure that's not the case just how you come off, you've made many untrue statements).

First, numbers and pages are not difficult to work with. In fact I'd dare say you gain a ton of functionality not lose it by switching away from microsoft. The flow of the interface is much more natural and true to Microsoft form running word or outlook is like a slow painful tooth extraction with out anesthetic. I'm also not sure what you're talking about when it comes to calendar functionality. You've got tight integration with google, iCloud of course and can sync pretty much where ever you need to. I collaborate with a team in California all the time and the calendaring services on my Mac, iPhone, pad and pod lock in nicely with what they are using. The iPhone provides good exchange support if you must and I sync with our exchange server out west. (even if exchange is orders of magnitude slower in processing mail etc you still have the option if you must. I also have no idea what you're talking about with the vm images. I've been running fusion since 2007 - 08 and haven't run in to that one. I don't really consider running VMWare images an edge on the mac though since

functionality is supported jet about anywhere and very well in most cases. The only thing I found using Microsoft in a VM useful for though was migrating from windows. I still had that familiar interface while I was migrating to voice over and learning a new way of doing things. Once I was comfortable and my features I needed were migrated I just erased the windows VM, my over priced screen reader and haven't looked back. I also can't believe you went in to secure as an argument for Microsoft anything. Microsoft is an antonym for security in the latest

While you're absolutely right that Apple is becoming a larger target do to their increase in market share, the OS is build on an inherently more secure platform to start with. Everything has holes yes, and everything can be exploited but a closed badly written OS does not make for a secure environment. One of the big issues is let's face it, windows started

as a consumer OS. That's not a great place to start when security and stability are your concern. Let's talk hardware for a second. I'll stack my Mac against the crap Dell is spewing out any day of the week. I have a customer who had a 75% DOA rate on his last order from Dell and the remainder of the machines all but 1 died with in 60 days and required on site maintenance. the feel of a Windows based laptop against a mac in terms of performance is just no comparison. Windows native laptops just crawl even with stupid amounts of processing power and custom installations with no bloat ware. Can I go to Frys or Central Computer and buy better hardware, build my own solution and start from scratch. Well, as a blind user not entirely. I can handle

assembly but that windows install (at least until 8 is released) is a bitch so I don't find that practical. I also would rather pay a bit more and walk out with a finished solution than have a day worth of assembly etc. I can pay my local store but what if I want support across the country? This is why I am doing an apples to apples (pardon the pun) comparison between two major providers of hardware. You have some good points and I do agree that all systems have

and attractors / detractors but I just think Microsoft has had a 25+ year run of producing bull shit that has burned so many professionals that we're not willing to cut them any more slack. Just because a company has a monopoly does not make them a

products and that's ok because in many cases eventually the customers, or at least a certain subset jump ship and move to a better solution. People, even on the consumer side are moving away from crappy NT based or 2K kernel or yada yada environment s to more stable unix based and or new custom platforms and that's a good thing. just like Cisco used to monopolize

network space (especially the service provider space) and Juniper came along and ate their lunch. It's just my personal opinion of course but one

on a 20+ year career in the large enterprise or service provider space

I would never allow my business to depend on a Microsoft product if I could possibly avoid it. But as my favorite radio talk show host Gene Burns used to say,

they make chocolate and vanilla.:) To each their own and all that.

On May 22, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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This is like telling people Jaws sucks switch to NVDA then being shocked when they complain excell is barely usable and powerpoint is unusable. Seriously? Get a Mac is hardly helpful advice after the fallout from flashback. Now the Mac is being targetted with this sort of Malware it isn't a safe platform these days.

Switch platform is rarely good advice to give even if in jest unless you can justify the reasons for the switch and insure no loss of functionality.

It's personal choice however for many the needs they have outway what the Mac can do in certain key areas.

Peple enjoy the Mac but I don't yet know too many blind people that do real work on the Mac interoperating with the windows world efficiently and seamlessly.

You'd better also hope whoever is using it doesn't want excellent terminal window support, apreciates only having 1 or 2 OCR solutions and enjoys having a couple of browsers to view sites with.

firefox is still unusable on the Mac right now, Chrome is getting

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but not ready for prime time and Saphari is getting better but still drops the ball far too often. Facebook anyone? There is no alternative to webvism on the Mac as far as I know and no easy way to solve capchas which aren't going away.

Fusion tends to corrupt virtual machines without warning so running Micros~1 Windo~1s so you can do sensible editing of tables footnotes etc in word documents in a meaningful manner without fighting with pages is not as easy as it should be.

Outlook is inaccessible on the Mac and unstable to boot, so there goes your ability to interact with a majority of organizations and their calendars and mail systems in a native manner.

Don't tell me to buy an iphone, the calendar is broken there also especially where hitting the all-day button crashes voiceover. Not to mention there is no way to schedule and untimed event. don't look at it the wrong way when you're syncing with pc and I-cloud or you'll get double contacts.

If you're suggesting OSX server i'll just run away and scream. We had an X-serve at the academy with drives that failed out of the array every 3 days and terribly broken and dated installs of Mailman with tools

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made managing the whole mess almost impossible. You had to use the tools or your careful edits to apache's configuration would get smashed by server manager.

We replaced the Mac with a Pc Running Ubuntu and all the problems went away sadly.

Teamtalk isn't accessible on the Mac and no plans to make it so, this is a big show stopper for many. Efficiency in the Mac interface has a ways to go. I've personally tried Mac and found it wanting more than windows. Finder just does so well with network drives or large external drives where it decides to look into all your music files.

Yeah buy a mac! We've all got nothing better to do than learn another paradime.

Oh and i've seen Macs torn apart by nasties, even with time machine backups they're fun to rebuild. regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 12:51 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

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Get a mac, that's my solution. ;) I'm kidding. What I really meant to say is run and get a mac.

No, if you don't get your problem resolved let me know. I have a few very good windows admins that I work with who I'd be happy to forward the question on to. I think Kerry is on the money though with that suggestion.

If that doesn't work, replace it with a mac.:)

Ok, I'll stop now

On May 22, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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I'd get rid of it with revo uninstaller available from ninite and

Hi, Although UAC should prompt I find sometimes forcing it to run in Admin mode from the apps key helps as well. Regards, Barry. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca Sent: 22 May 2012 18:45 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] urgent problem with Security Essentials update Hi Dave Sometimes instead of selecting run from the NINITE installer, you can select save. Then run the downloaded file. This way if it times out, you can run it again later on. Vic -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] urgent problem with Security Essentials update Hello, Thanks to everyone. Scott, no Mac experience unfortunately, and they're a little out of my price range. I have however not got the problem fixed. I followed Kerry's suggestion, got the revo and uninstalled essentials, that worked fine. When I used the ninite installer it bombed out with a timeout, checking the installer window it was looking for the essentials msi file which it apparently did not find. Still open to suggestions. Thanks. Dave. On 5/22/12, Scott Granados wrote: that thesaurus.:) life the their place producer of good the based that that's why there that then

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reinstall fresh. that might work.

regards, Kerry.

On 22/05/2012 8:16 AM, David Mehler wrote:

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Hello,

I've got an xpsp3 pro box that is having a problem updating Security Essentials. Apparently about a week back the box began an automatic download and install of definition updates, something happened and it was not successful. I've rebooted, tried it myself from the Essentials interface and not had any luck, It's looking for a file that's in a nonexistent path.

I've cleared out the windows update cache in %windir%\SoftwareDistribution, rebooted, and again reran the update no good.

I then manually downloaded Security Essentials from Microsoft and atempted to uninstall the existing copy intending to install the download. That also failed while looking for a file in a nonexistent path. I tried to install the file over the existing copy, an update, that didn't work.

Finally, I have downloaded the latest definition updates two files one a definition the other a net file of some kind, ran those, seemed to work alright, but didn't do anything I wasn't prompted at all. I rebooted again and thinking the files were now in place for an update tried again from security essentials, this did not work.

Urgently need help!

Thanks. Dave.

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