Hi,What about trying something like UltraEdit? It was less verbose, but also a bit sluggish. This seems to be a difficult area to get accessible.Rajiv ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Hodgson To: Blind sysadmins list Sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Slightly off-topic: HTML and XML editing Hi, I am in a real quandary about which best editor to use going forward on Windows. I try to use Visual Studio more, but find it a real pane in most circumstances, it tries to do too much and causes problems, and is fairly slow. Notepad++ is my main editor but I really hate it for most things, can't work out why but I don't trust it in some circumstances, and hate the way it keeps files open. I would ideally use Sublime Text or similar but all the popular editors don't seem to work well with JFW at the moment. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Jason White via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: 21 February 2018 00:37 To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Jason White Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Slightly off-topic: HTML and XML editing Just a side question that may be off-topic for the list: a recent discussion related to my work has raised the question of which accessible editors are best for creating and modifying HTML and XML documents extensively. My suggestion would be nxml-mode under Emacs, which, given a schema, supports code completion and validation. However, I'm sure there are other options, and as I'm gathering recommendations for at least one friend/colleague and not merely choosing what to use myself, I would be interested in your suggestions. One of the challenges raised during the conversation that I had was that it can be difficult to read and edit the text with a screen reader when all of the markup is spoken; so the ability to hide the markup temporarily would be useful. Of course, a braille display (which is what I use) would help here, but even with that advantage, the markup can be quite verbose. An option considered in the discussion is to write documents in a simpler markup language such as Markdown, and then convert them, but this isn't ideal - especially if you need fine control over the HTML or XML itself. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Hi, Have you tried Visual Studio Code (which is totally different from Visual Studio)? Sometimes it's a bit strange to switch between forms/web mode, which is required since this is app is built with web technology, but overall I find it a quite pleasant experience. Bram On 21-2-2018 19:09, David Mehler wrote:

Hi,

I also am interested in this topic. Most of the recommended editors sublime comes immediately to mind, is not accessible.

Dave.

On 2/21/18, Rajiv Shah wrote:

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Hi,What about trying something like UltraEdit? It was less verbose, but also a bit sluggish. This seems to be a difficult area to get accessible.Rajiv

----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Hodgson To: Blind sysadmins list Sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Slightly off-topic: HTML and XML editing

Hi,

I am in a real quandary about which best editor to use going forward on Windows.

I try to use Visual Studio more, but find it a real pane in most circumstances, it tries to do too much and causes problems, and is fairly slow.

Notepad++ is my main editor but I really hate it for most things, can't work out why but I don't trust it in some circumstances, and hate the way it keeps files open.

I would ideally use Sublime Text or similar but all the popular editors don't seem to work well with JFW at the moment.

Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Jason White via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: 21 February 2018 00:37 To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Jason White Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Slightly off-topic: HTML and XML editing

Just a side question that may be off-topic for the list: a recent discussion related to my work has raised the question of which accessible editors are best for creating and modifying HTML and XML documents extensively. My suggestion would be nxml-mode under Emacs, which, given a schema, supports code completion and validation. However, I'm sure there are other options, and as I'm gathering recommendations for at least one friend/colleague and not merely choosing what to use myself, I would be interested in your suggestions.

One of the challenges raised during the conversation that I had was that it can be difficult to read and edit the text with a screen reader when all of the markup is spoken; so the ability to hide the markup temporarily would be useful. Of course, a braille display (which is what I use) would help here, but even with that advantage, the markup can be quite verbose. An option considered in the discussion is to write documents in a simpler markup language such as Markdown, and then convert them, but this isn't ideal - especially if you need fine control over the HTML or XML itself.

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I haven't looked at word-wrap, so I can't answer that for you. There is an extension called live server (if I remember correctly) that reloads your HTML file in a browser window every time you save changes. There might also be an inline preview in the editor, but I'm not sure about that. Bram On 21-2-2018 19:20, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

I experimented with it for editing a simple text file, but I haven't explored its HTML or XML capabilities. As it's browser-based (implemented in Chrome/Electron), it may be able to provide both a source view of an HTML document and a rendered version updated simultaneously, which would be quite useful.

I had difficulty getting the word wrap feature to work, resulting in everything being treated as a single long line until I explicitly entered a new line.

Bram Duvigneau wrote:

...

Hi,

Have you tried Visual Studio Code (which is totally different from Visual Studio)? Sometimes it's a bit strange to switch between forms/web mode, which is required since this is app is built with web technology, but overall I find it a quite pleasant experience.

Bram On 21-2-2018 19:09, David Mehler wrote:

...

Hi,

I also am interested in this topic. Most of the recommended editors sublime comes immediately to mind, is not accessible.

Dave.

On 2/21/18, Rajiv Shah wrote:

...

Hi,What about trying something like UltraEdit? It was less verbose, but also a bit sluggish. This seems to be a difficult area to get accessible.Rajiv

----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Hodgson To: Blind sysadmins list Sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Slightly off-topic: HTML and XML editing

Hi,

I am in a real quandary about which best editor to use going forward on Windows.

I try to use Visual Studio more, but find it a real pane in most circumstances, it tries to do too much and causes problems, and is fairly slow.

Notepad++ is my main editor but I really hate it for most things, can't work out why but I don't trust it in some circumstances, and hate the way it keeps files open.

I would ideally use Sublime Text or similar but all the popular editors don't seem to work well with JFW at the moment.

Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Jason White via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: 21 February 2018 00:37 To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Jason White Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Slightly off-topic: HTML and XML editing

Just a side question that may be off-topic for the list: a recent discussion related to my work has raised the question of which accessible editors are best for creating and modifying HTML and XML documents extensively. My suggestion would be nxml-mode under Emacs, which, given a schema, supports code completion and validation. However, I'm sure there are other options, and as I'm gathering recommendations for at least one friend/colleague and not merely choosing what to use myself, I would be interested in your suggestions.

One of the challenges raised during the conversation that I had was that it can be difficult to read and edit the text with a screen reader when all of the markup is spoken; so the ability to hide the markup temporarily would be useful. Of course, a braille display (which is what I use) would help here, but even with that advantage, the markup can be quite verbose. An option considered in the discussion is to write documents in a simpler markup language such as Markdown, and then convert them, but this isn't ideal - especially if you need fine control over the HTML or XML itself.

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