Okay guys as I work for the Cisco Academy for the Vision impaired, http://www.cavitraining.com/ I thought I would put a bit of an audioboo together on the current state of things. Basically you can get a reader but no scratch paper and no accessible material beyond the reader reading to you, writing stuff down for you and explaining exams. Pearson are difficult to negotiate with and the exams hard to take in this format. Listen to the below for more info. https://audioboom.com/boos/2775806-cisco-ccna-accessibility-of-exams-persona... This is 4 minutes and 55 seconds long, but unless I talk faster and remove gaps I have a fair bit to say. Hope it helps people. These are my own opinions and are correct to the best of my knowledge but do not represent the opinions or policies of cisco, Why this disclaimer crud is really needed is beyond me but there you have it. regards, Kerry. On 6/01/2015 4:20 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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CAVI works with Cisco on their accessability of learning academy resources. Cisco has 2 bits broadly speaking. The comercial arm sells all the gear and runs TAC etc. The Learning institute is the bit that never gets enough funding who try and bring training to places all over the world. We at CAVI make as much of the material as we can accessible to vision impaired people so that people in places like India can get meaningful IT related jobs. We too are underfunded and barely have enough money to keep running, similar to learning academy. If someone complains about accessability of Cisco stuff someone from cisco usually asks us or Shawn or their other advisers what can be done. The complication is that Cisco outsources exams to Pearson then they get to throw back and forth responsibility on who is supposed to insure accessibility. are we having fun yet? Regards, Kerry. On 6/01/2015 10:19 PM, John G Heim wrote:

CAVI has nothing to do with Cisco, the technology company, does it?

On 01/06/2015 05:54 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

Okay guys as I work for the Cisco Academy for the Vision impaired, http://www.cavitraining.com/

I thought I would put a bit of an audioboo together on the current state of things. Basically you can get a reader but no scratch paper and no accessible material beyond the reader reading to you, writing stuff down for you and explaining exams. Pearson are difficult to negotiate with and the exams hard to take in this format. Listen to the below for more info.

https://audioboom.com/boos/2775806-cisco-ccna-accessibility-of-exams-persona...

This is 4 minutes and 55 seconds long, but unless I talk faster and remove gaps I have a fair bit to say. Hope it helps people. These are my own opinions and are correct to the best of my knowledge but do not represent the opinions or policies of cisco, Why this disclaimer crud is really needed is beyond me but there you have it.

regards, Kerry.

On 6/01/2015 4:20 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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I heard the work was in progress wasn't sure if it was ever completed. We use the Network Academy resources to teach our courses not the for purchase books sorry. I'm also not in the US so don't have access to bookshare's full catalog. Regards, Kerry. On 7/01/2015 12:43 AM, Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) wrote:

Could you send me a link to the Bookshare download for the ICND1 cert guide? I found a cert guide library, but no diagrams appear to be described.

Bill

...

On Jan 6, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

CAVI works with Cisco on their accessability of learning academy resources.

Cisco has 2 bits broadly speaking. The comercial arm sells all the gear and runs TAC etc. The Learning institute is the bit that never gets enough funding who try and bring training to places all over the world.

We at CAVI make as much of the material as we can accessible to vision impaired people so that people in places like India can get meaningful IT related jobs.

We too are underfunded and barely have enough money to keep running, similar to learning academy.

If someone complains about accessability of Cisco stuff someone from cisco usually asks us or Shawn or their other advisers what can be done.

The complication is that Cisco outsources exams to Pearson then they get to throw back and forth responsibility on who is supposed to insure accessibility. are we having fun yet?

Regards, Kerry.

On 6/01/2015 10:19 PM, John G Heim wrote:

...

CAVI has nothing to do with Cisco, the technology company, does it?

On 01/06/2015 05:54 AM, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

Okay guys as I work for the Cisco Academy for the Vision impaired, http://www.cavitraining.com/

I thought I would put a bit of an audioboo together on the current state of things. Basically you can get a reader but no scratch paper and no accessible material beyond the reader reading to you, writing stuff down for you and explaining exams. Pearson are difficult to negotiate with and the exams hard to take in this format. Listen to the below for more info.

https://audioboom.com/boos/2775806-cisco-ccna-accessibility-of-exams-persona...

This is 4 minutes and 55 seconds long, but unless I talk faster and remove gaps I have a fair bit to say. Hope it helps people. These are my own opinions and are correct to the best of my knowledge but do not represent the opinions or policies of cisco, Why this disclaimer crud is really needed is beyond me but there you have it.

regards, Kerry.

On 6/01/2015 4:20 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Hi, Your experiences are basically the same as mine back in 2006, and actually the same as the Microsoft exams as well. I would be interested in looking at contacting organisations to see if we can do anything about this. I have my BCAB hat on of course as I am the chair. :) Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Hoath Sent: 06 January 2015 11:54 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility Okay guys as I work for the Cisco Academy for the Vision impaired, http://www.cavitraining.com/ I thought I would put a bit of an audioboo together on the current state of things. Basically you can get a reader but no scratch paper and no accessible material beyond the reader reading to you, writing stuff down for you and explaining exams. Pearson are difficult to negotiate with and the exams hard to take in this format. Listen to the below for more info. https://audioboom.com/boos/2775806-cisco-ccna-accessibility-of-exams-persona... This is 4 minutes and 55 seconds long, but unless I talk faster and remove gaps I have a fair bit to say. Hope it helps people. These are my own opinions and are correct to the best of my knowledge but do not represent the opinions or policies of cisco, Why this disclaimer crud is really needed is beyond me but there you have it. regards, Kerry. On 6/01/2015 4:20 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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All, I am aware of people who areBlind, deaf and blind that have done the CCIE R&S. I did the CCNA in 2013 and they permitted myself to use a Perkins Brailleler. A scribe is provided to read out the written exams. I will check with my cisco contacts to see what changes have been made since then and get back to you all. This will take a few days. If any other initiatives are started, please let me know about them. since I have a few contacts that I could reach out too and help out with. Sean On 7 Jan 2015, at 4:36 am, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

Your experiences are basically the same as mine back in 2006, and actually the same as the Microsoft exams as well. I would be interested in looking at contacting organisations to see if we can do anything about this. I have my BCAB hat on of course as I am the chair. :)

Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Hoath Sent: 06 January 2015 11:54 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Okay guys as I work for the Cisco Academy for the Vision impaired, http://www.cavitraining.com/

I thought I would put a bit of an audioboo together on the current state of things. Basically you can get a reader but no scratch paper and no accessible material beyond the reader reading to you, writing stuff down for you and explaining exams. Pearson are difficult to negotiate with and the exams hard to take in this format. Listen to the below for more info.

https://audioboom.com/boos/2775806-cisco-ccna-accessibility-of-exams-persona...

This is 4 minutes and 55 seconds long, but unless I talk faster and remove gaps I have a fair bit to say. Hope it helps people. These are my own opinions and are correct to the best of my knowledge but do not represent the opinions or policies of cisco, Why this disclaimer crud is really needed is beyond me but there you have it.

regards, Kerry.

On 6/01/2015 4:20 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with. I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem. If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know. On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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I don't think that I can be too specific but big things are going on with the VMware project. Right now, the project is sort of on hold due to legal matters. I got IAVIT incorporated as a 501c3 but apparently, in order to really be legitimate, you have to do way more than that. We are working on it. But VMware has been very cooperative. Honestly, when they told me what they wanted to do, I was shocked. Seriously, the problem is not on their end, it's on ours. When we finally get IAVIT up to the standards for non-profits that VMware expectes, we are going to need some people. I believe the team has only one actual VMware sys admin on it. Personally, I do not use VMware. Well, maybe once I can be more specific, there will be more interest. I just don't feel I can say what VMware is planning on doing until it's official But obviously, I'd like to be ready once that stuff gets ironed out. So if you have interest in participating in working with VMware on accessibility, let me know. On 01/06/2015 08:15 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

John,

I'm interested. Have VMware made any accessibility related changes?

ESXI 5.5 in it's flash form is rubbish!

Sighted admins agree! They are even going over to Hyper-V and Xen to get away from Flash.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Yes. I'm certainly interested. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:47 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] IAVIT and VMware (was: Cisco) I don't think that I can be too specific but big things are going on with the VMware project. Right now, the project is sort of on hold due to legal matters. I got IAVIT incorporated as a 501c3 but apparently, in order to really be legitimate, you have to do way more than that. We are working on it. But VMware has been very cooperative. Honestly, when they told me what they wanted to do, I was shocked. Seriously, the problem is not on their end, it's on ours. When we finally get IAVIT up to the standards for non-profits that VMware expectes, we are going to need some people. I believe the team has only one actual VMware sys admin on it. Personally, I do not use VMware. Well, maybe once I can be more specific, there will be more interest. I just don't feel I can say what VMware is planning on doing until it's official But obviously, I'd like to be ready once that stuff gets ironed out. So if you have interest in participating in working with VMware on accessibility, let me know. On 01/06/2015 08:15 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

John,

I'm interested. Have VMware made any accessibility related changes?

ESXI 5.5 in it's flash form is rubbish!

Sighted admins agree! They are even going over to Hyper-V and Xen to get away from Flash.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Hi, Also interested - probably a long shot but if the BCAB can do anything from the UK let me know. We are actually a registered charity. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:47 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] IAVIT and VMware (was: Cisco) I don't think that I can be too specific but big things are going on with the VMware project. Right now, the project is sort of on hold due to legal matters. I got IAVIT incorporated as a 501c3 but apparently, in order to really be legitimate, you have to do way more than that. We are working on it. But VMware has been very cooperative. Honestly, when they told me what they wanted to do, I was shocked. Seriously, the problem is not on their end, it's on ours. When we finally get IAVIT up to the standards for non-profits that VMware expectes, we are going to need some people. I believe the team has only one actual VMware sys admin on it. Personally, I do not use VMware. Well, maybe once I can be more specific, there will be more interest. I just don't feel I can say what VMware is planning on doing until it's official But obviously, I'd like to be ready once that stuff gets ironed out. So if you have interest in participating in working with VMware on accessibility, let me know. On 01/06/2015 08:15 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

John,

I'm interested. Have VMware made any accessibility related changes?

ESXI 5.5 in it's flash form is rubbish!

Sighted admins agree! They are even going over to Hyper-V and Xen to get away from Flash.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Hi, Also interested - probably a long shot but if the BCAB can do anything from the UK let me know. We are actually a registered charity. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:47 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] IAVIT and VMware (was: Cisco) I don't think that I can be too specific but big things are going on with the VMware project. Right now, the project is sort of on hold due to legal matters. I got IAVIT incorporated as a 501c3 but apparently, in order to really be legitimate, you have to do way more than that. We are working on it. But VMware has been very cooperative. Honestly, when they told me what they wanted to do, I was shocked. Seriously, the problem is not on their end, it's on ours. When we finally get IAVIT up to the standards for non-profits that VMware expectes, we are going to need some people. I believe the team has only one actual VMware sys admin on it. Personally, I do not use VMware. Well, maybe once I can be more specific, there will be more interest. I just don't feel I can say what VMware is planning on doing until it's official But obviously, I'd like to be ready once that stuff gets ironed out. So if you have interest in participating in working with VMware on accessibility, let me know. On 01/06/2015 08:15 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

John,

I'm interested. Have VMware made any accessibility related changes?

ESXI 5.5 in it's flash form is rubbish!

Sighted admins agree! They are even going over to Hyper-V and Xen to get away from Flash.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Hi, Could another approach be to contact the exam venders themselves since Microsoft have now also gone over to Pearson? Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:58 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] IAVIT and Cisco Cisco has an employee volunteer program. http://csr.cisco.com/pages/employee-volunteers This is how we got a foot in the door at VMware. I asked around until I found a VMware employee with some interest in helping visually impaired people. The guy we found has a visually impaired daughter. He has been awesome. I actually got really lucky in finding our contact at VMware. I don't know if I could duplicate that wrt Cisco. But I think working through the employee volunteer program is a good approach. Obviously, I can't do it all. In the case of Cisco, I have even less first hand knowledge than I do with VMware. We would need a group willing to put some time and effort into the project. It's going no where without that. The VMware project may lend som legitimacy for a team from IAVIT approaching Cisco. As I said in another message, that project is sort of on-hold. But we could get a similar project going for working with Cisco and be ready to hit the ground running once that project takes off. On 01/06/2015 08:15 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

John,

I'm interested. Have VMware made any accessibility related changes?

ESXI 5.5 in it's flash form is rubbish!

Sighted admins agree! They are even going over to Hyper-V and Xen to get away from Flash.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Juniper assigns you an engineer to help and they have similar accommodation on the exam side. On Jan 7, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:

From my knowledge, the content vendor of the exam sends the information to the exam vendor. The exam vendor then uses their exam engine to display the information. Hense you have to approach both groups to make the final exam accessible. The content vendor is for the graphical information and the exam vendor is to ensure the exam engine is accessible. Does this make since?

RedHat does all this internally and I believe they do not use any external vendor. They give you a braille exam and you can bring in equipment to connect to the server. Not sure if they will provide a text version for those who cannot read Braille or are very slow at it.

Sean On 7 Jan 2015, at 4:40 am, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

Could another approach be to contact the exam venders themselves since Microsoft have now also gone over to Pearson?

Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:58 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] IAVIT and Cisco

Cisco has an employee volunteer program. http://csr.cisco.com/pages/employee-volunteers

This is how we got a foot in the door at VMware. I asked around until I found a VMware employee with some interest in helping visually impaired people. The guy we found has a visually impaired daughter. He has been awesome.

I actually got really lucky in finding our contact at VMware. I don't know if I could duplicate that wrt Cisco. But I think working through the employee volunteer program is a good approach.

Obviously, I can't do it all. In the case of Cisco, I have even less first hand knowledge than I do with VMware. We would need a group willing to put some time and effort into the project. It's going no where without that.

The VMware project may lend som legitimacy for a team from IAVIT approaching Cisco. As I said in another message, that project is sort of on-hold. But we could get a similar project going for working with Cisco and be ready to hit the ground running once that project takes off.

On 01/06/2015 08:15 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

...

John,

I'm interested. Have VMware made any accessibility related changes?

ESXI 5.5 in it's flash form is rubbish!

Sighted admins agree! They are even going over to Hyper-V and Xen to get away from Flash.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Depends on the market segment. Cisco is about 10 times larger in terms of employee count and market value. In the service provider space though Juniper has had many successes against Cisco so products like the MX-960 compete with some of the higher end Cisco CRS devices as well as the Juniper T series etc. I’m a fan of Juniper products myself but started out on Cisco and definitely have no issue using their equipment either. In terms of large service providers though Juniper has made massive inroads. On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

Interesting. I gather Juniper sell gear, similar to Cisco? How much of the market do they have?

At 10:23 AM 1/7/2015, you wrote:

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Juniper assigns you an engineer to help and they have similar accommodation on the exam side.

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Hi, Could another approach be to contact the exam venders themselves since Microsoft have now also gone over to Pearson? Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:58 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] IAVIT and Cisco Cisco has an employee volunteer program. http://csr.cisco.com/pages/employee-volunteers This is how we got a foot in the door at VMware. I asked around until I found a VMware employee with some interest in helping visually impaired people. The guy we found has a visually impaired daughter. He has been awesome. I actually got really lucky in finding our contact at VMware. I don't know if I could duplicate that wrt Cisco. But I think working through the employee volunteer program is a good approach. Obviously, I can't do it all. In the case of Cisco, I have even less first hand knowledge than I do with VMware. We would need a group willing to put some time and effort into the project. It's going no where without that. The VMware project may lend som legitimacy for a team from IAVIT approaching Cisco. As I said in another message, that project is sort of on-hold. But we could get a similar project going for working with Cisco and be ready to hit the ground running once that project takes off. On 01/06/2015 08:15 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

John,

I'm interested. Have VMware made any accessibility related changes?

ESXI 5.5 in it's flash form is rubbish!

Sighted admins agree! They are even going over to Hyper-V and Xen to get away from Flash.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 06 January 2015 14:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler (OS X on REtina macBook Pro) Sent: 06 January 2015 03:04 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco Exam and Cert Guide Accessibility

Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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Of course I am interested in helping if I can. CAVI has been doing diagram descriptions and access work for years, so keen to see stuff move forward. Regards, Kerry. On 6/01/2015 10:07 PM, John G Heim wrote:

If anybody is interested, this sounds like something the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists would be willing to help with.

I'd like to follow an approach similar to what we did with VMware. When we contacted VMware, they were very responsive. They've been cooprative to the point of it being almost a burden. We weren't ready for everything they wanted to do. I think this bears out my theory that these companies are willing to cooperate if we can get them to understand the problem.

If anybody is interested in forming a team to work on this, let me know.

On 01/06/2015 02:20 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I tried to do the CCNA exam back in 2010 and really had issues with the diagrams and descriptions etc. You can't do the exam independently and have to rely on someone describing the diagrams and pushing the relevant buttons etc. It helps if you can find someone who has some knowledge of the material to do this. I moved onto Microsoft exams and they are more doable because they don't rely on diagrams as much.

Someone did take one of the test centres to court back in 2006 and they got diagrams for the exam in an accessible format, but nothing further happened. I don't believe the test centres get enough requests to get these exams in a usable format and every time I try and take an exam it is a real mess. I need to renew my Microsoft MCITPs but I just don't have the energy to go through all the burocrasy. If you can find a test centre or a training partner that is on board then that is the best option. A company called Firebrand really helped me to get through the exams and that is the best experience I have had taking the exams.

Thanks. Andrew.

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Hello, I am interested in becoming Cisco certified. Do any of you have experience with the Cisco exam? How have you been able to have it made accessible to you? How did you do the simulators? Do any of you know where I could obtain a copy of the ICND1 and ICND2 official cert guides with all graphics described?

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