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plextalk linio pocket
by Aidan Maher 15 Nov '12

15 Nov '12

This is what plextalk announced today: > For Immediate Release > > Shinano Kenshi Introduces PLEXTALK Linio Pocket > > The world's first portable DAISY online player and recorder > > > Brussels - 9 November 2012, Shinano Kenshi Europe today introduced the > PLEXTALK Linio Pocket, the world's first portable DAISY online player > and recorder, designed for the visually impaired and dyslexic to > stream or download talking newspapers, magazines and books online. > "PLEXTALK Linio Pocket is the smartest talking book player that we've > ever developed in our long experience as a patent company and > contributor to the global DAISY standard." said Marc Van der Aa, the > sales manager of the assistive technology sales division. "We've > designed a device with various advanced capabilities, thin and light > weight with 8GB internal memory. You can immediately access any > materials of your interest online wherever you have an Internet > connection to a DAISY online service. It's not necessary any more to > wait for a CD to be delivered or need a computer. We believe it will > significantly help customers to reinvent their independent and brilliant life." > > The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket is one of the most robust DAISY players and > recorders in the world, with its resin case it absorbs shocks and has > passed a drop test from 150cm onto a steel floor, and a newly designed > beautiful midnight blue color. The key layout is designed to cover all > capabilities only using a finger or your thumb, with separated cross > keys and numeric keys for intuitive navigation on the drip-proof > keypad, which protects against liquids spills. > > The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket introduces enhanced audio features including > the high-quality Acapela text to speech engine for highly natural > narration with the choice of two voices, and PLEXVoice technology > guarantees optimal sound quality in lower and higher speed playback, > the built-in speaker is optimized to offer clear sound especially for > the human voice, and the built-in microphone provides auto gain > control system for recording in DAISY format. Users can also take > advantage of the advanced full editing functionalities of the PLEXTALK > Recording software, free of charge for buyers of the PLEXTALK Linio Pocket. > > The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket offers immediate access to DAISY online > services in countries such as Finland, The Netherlands, Denmark, > Belgium and Japan and more countries in the near future. The PLEXTALK > Linio Pocket has access to web radio stations and podcasts through the > built-in high speed wireless Internet connection, and detects > automatically wireless network access points and security mode. A > variety of content is supported such as EPUB and PDF*. Flexible data > management by using intuitive commands to drag and drop any content > from your personal computers to the PLEXTALK Linio Pocket by using > Windows Explorer, or use the intuitively operational PLEXTALK transfer > software. The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket also features advanced time management capabilities such as calendar and alarm functions*. > *Available soon with a free firmware upgrade. > > > Availability > > PLEXTALK Linio Pocket will roll out in December in the following > languages Dutch, English, German and Russian. The other languages will > follow suit by free firmware upgrade. > >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

Thank you very much. I appreciate this from my hart. Make sense. I'm glad prs is so easy to use. On 14/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > When you record onto a CF card on the PTR2, and subsequently choose to > dispose of unwanted audio files, I think I'm correct in saying that it only > disposes of audio files that are not referenced at all by the edited > project. If any part of an audio file is still required in the project, > the > entire audio file is retained. In other words, the process of disposing of > these audio files is certainly not equivalent to running an audio export > using the PRS software. > > To my knowledge, the only way to have audio files that exactly match the > final edited audio in each section of a project is to perform the Audio > Export function in the PRS software - there is no way of doing this on the > hardware players. > > As far as I know, you are correct about the build book process being part > of > the finalising of the CD. If you have recorded a title onto the CF card, I > don't think there is any equivalent that can be used to prepare the project > for playback on another device - I think the hardware Build Book process > came in in later players. If this is correct, I think the only way to > finish off a project recorded on a CF card is to either take it over to > PRS. > In any case, for the reasons given before, this is a good plan anyway to > use > the PRS and to perform an Audio Export if you want an end product which is > playable on the largest possible number of devices. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 16:13 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've > ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing > furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 > handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have > a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can > finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, > but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use > it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 > make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the > media management menu? > > On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi again Aidan, >> >> OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been >> a >> long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... >> >> The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required >> during >> the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution >> CD, >> you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you >> choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose >> to >> do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. >> >> In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be >> audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing > with >> cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different >> from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... >> >> Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, > the >> project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then >> decide >> to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or >> moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it > just >> the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external >> DAISY >> players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio >> files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the >> way >> you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able > to >> tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings >> for >> doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to >> finish >> >> If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always > best >> to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process >> collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are >> made >> up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this >> is >> done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. >> The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out >> of >> the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and > the >> files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio >> files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be > your >> original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - >> this >> is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about >> the >> edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be >> named >> in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many > sections >> there are. >> >> I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further >> explanation. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jamie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 >> To: Plextalk User Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something >> new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is >> that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on >> cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain >> there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if >> I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, >> then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore >> because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you >> export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove >> unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run >> it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so >> it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution >> copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it >> that way. Hope I make sense. >> >> On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> Hi Aidan, >>> >>> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >>> >>> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >>> and >>> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >>> >>> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >>> the >>> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >>> more >>> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >>> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >>> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML >> and >>> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD >> and >>> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >>> less >>> necessary. >>> >>> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >>> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >>> time >>> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >>> loading a project for editing. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Aidan Maher >>> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >>> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >>> >>> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >>> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >>> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >>> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >>> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >>> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7685 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7690 (20121114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

Thank you very much. I appreciate this from my hart. Make sense. I'm glad prs is so easy to use. On 14/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > When you record onto a CF card on the PTR2, and subsequently choose to > dispose of unwanted audio files, I think I'm correct in saying that it only > disposes of audio files that are not referenced at all by the edited > project. If any part of an audio file is still required in the project, > the > entire audio file is retained. In other words, the process of disposing of > these audio files is certainly not equivalent to running an audio export > using the PRS software. > > To my knowledge, the only way to have audio files that exactly match the > final edited audio in each section of a project is to perform the Audio > Export function in the PRS software - there is no way of doing this on the > hardware players. > > As far as I know, you are correct about the build book process being part > of > the finalising of the CD. If you have recorded a title onto the CF card, I > don't think there is any equivalent that can be used to prepare the project > for playback on another device - I think the hardware Build Book process > came in in later players. If this is correct, I think the only way to > finish off a project recorded on a CF card is to either take it over to > PRS. > In any case, for the reasons given before, this is a good plan anyway to > use > the PRS and to perform an Audio Export if you want an end product which is > playable on the largest possible number of devices. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 16:13 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've > ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing > furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 > handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have > a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can > finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, > but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use > it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 > make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the > media management menu? > > On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi again Aidan, >> >> OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been >> a >> long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... >> >> The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required >> during >> the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution >> CD, >> you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you >> choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose >> to >> do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. >> >> In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be >> audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing > with >> cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different >> from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... >> >> Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, > the >> project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then >> decide >> to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or >> moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it > just >> the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external >> DAISY >> players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio >> files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the >> way >> you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able > to >> tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings >> for >> doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to >> finish >> >> If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always > best >> to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process >> collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are >> made >> up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this >> is >> done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. >> The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out >> of >> the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and > the >> files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio >> files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be > your >> original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - >> this >> is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about >> the >> edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be >> named >> in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many > sections >> there are. >> >> I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further >> explanation. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jamie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 >> To: Plextalk User Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something >> new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is >> that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on >> cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain >> there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if >> I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, >> then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore >> because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you >> export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove >> unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run >> it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so >> it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution >> copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it >> that way. Hope I make sense. >> >> On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> Hi Aidan, >>> >>> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >>> >>> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >>> and >>> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >>> >>> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >>> the >>> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >>> more >>> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >>> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >>> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML >> and >>> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD >> and >>> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >>> less >>> necessary. >>> >>> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >>> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >>> time >>> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >>> loading a project for editing. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Aidan Maher >>> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >>> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >>> >>> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >>> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >>> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >>> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >>> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >>> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7685 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7690 (20121114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the media management menu? On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been a > long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... > > The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required during > the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution > CD, > you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you > choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose > to > do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. > > In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be > audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing with > cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different > from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... > > Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, the > project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then > decide > to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or > moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it just > the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external > DAISY > players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio > files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the way > you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able to > tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings > for > doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to finish > > If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always best > to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process > collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are > made > up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this > is > done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. > The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out of > the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and the > files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio > files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be your > original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - this > is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about > the > edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be > named > in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many sections > there are. > > I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further > explanation. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something > new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is > that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on > cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain > there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if > I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, > then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore > because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you > export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove > unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run > it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so > it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution > copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it > that way. Hope I make sense. > > On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi Aidan, >> >> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >> >> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >> and >> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >> >> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >> the >> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >> more >> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML > and >> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD > and >> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >> less >> necessary. >> >> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >> time >> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >> loading a project for editing. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Jamie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7685 (20121112) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 13 Nov '12

13 Nov '12

Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the media management menu? On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been a > long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... > > The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required during > the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution > CD, > you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you > choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose > to > do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. > > In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be > audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing with > cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different > from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... > > Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, the > project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then > decide > to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or > moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it just > the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external > DAISY > players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio > files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the way > you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able to > tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings > for > doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to finish > > If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always best > to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process > collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are > made > up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this > is > done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. > The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out of > the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and the > files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio > files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be your > original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - this > is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about > the > edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be > named > in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many sections > there are. > > I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further > explanation. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something > new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is > that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on > cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain > there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if > I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, > then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore > because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you > export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove > unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run > it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so > it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution > copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it > that way. Hope I make sense. > > On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi Aidan, >> >> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >> >> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >> and >> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >> >> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >> the >> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >> more >> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML > and >> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD > and >> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >> less >> necessary. >> >> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >> time >> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >> loading a project for editing. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Jamie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7685 (20121112) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 13 Nov '12

13 Nov '12

Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it that way. Hope I make sense. On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi Aidan, > > The two files have fundamentally different roles. > > The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title > and > has links to the main features like the headings etc. > > The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where > the > DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are > more > than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in > Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this > information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML and > all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD and > all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes > less > necessary. > > Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a > DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a time > with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are > loading a project for editing. > > Hope this helps. > > Jamie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 > To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a > distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an > "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both > the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I > thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the > disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7684 (20121112) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 13 Nov '12

13 Nov '12

Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it that way. Hope I make sense. On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi Aidan, > > The two files have fundamentally different roles. > > The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title > and > has links to the main features like the headings etc. > > The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where > the > DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are > more > than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in > Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this > information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML and > all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD and > all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes > less > necessary. > > Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a > DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a time > with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are > loading a project for editing. > > Hope this helps. > > Jamie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 > To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a > distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an > "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both > the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I > thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the > disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7684 (20121112) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 12 Nov '12

12 Nov '12

Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this.

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Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 12 Nov '12

12 Nov '12

Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this.

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Re: [Plextalk] plextalk linio pocket
by Aidan Maher 09 Nov '12

09 Nov '12

Yes, for recording its great, and milestone only have 1 gig memory anyway. And it is limmited in the way things work like bookmarks And as far as flack and those file formats goes, yes not all players support them but all the commin formats is supported and all or most of the text file formats will be supported buy this new one i'm sure. On 09/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Steve, > > Hmmmmmmmmmmm, me thinks that this sounds like a slightly blinkered view of > the audio capabilities of the Plextalk Pocket. In what way do you think it > is "brain dead" any more than the other players you mention?? > > Jamie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Steve Nutt > Sent: 09 November 2012 17:11 > To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] plextalk linio pocket > > Hi, > > I wouldn't say a lot. It can play Ogg, Flac, M4A, it's pretty braindead > with audio files. > > Booksense and Milestone can play all those. > > All the best > > Steve > > -- > Computer Room Services > 77 Exeter Close > Stevenage > Hertfordshire > SG1 4PW > Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 > Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 > Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 > Email: steve(a)comproom.co.uk > Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of emma goodwin > Sent: 09 November 2012 17:10 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] plextalk linio pocket > > It can play alot of those file types Rus but I agree, it all depends > on what you want to do with the device. I agree though that the more > file types, the better. > > On 11/9/12, Steve Nutt <steve(a)comproom.co.uk> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Depends on what you want. >> >> If you want sound quality, and better support of Audible, then it beats > the >> Plex hands down. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> Computer Room Services >> 77 Exeter Close >> Stevenage >> Hertfordshire >> SG1 4PW >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >> Email: steve(a)comproom.co.uk >> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Russ Kiehne >> Sent: 09 November 2012 16:41 >> To: Plextalk User Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] plextalk linio pocket >> >> After listening to a podcast on the Milestone, I feel it is over priced. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Nutt >> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:01 AM >> To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' >> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] plextalk linio pocket >> >> Hi, >> >> Most of this is already available in the Milestone 312, so I'm not that >> impressed yet. >> >> We'll see. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> Computer Room Services >> 77 Exeter Close >> Stevenage >> Hertfordshire >> SG1 4PW >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >> Email: steve(a)comproom.co.uk >> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 09 November 2012 16:00 >> To: Plextalk User Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] plextalk linio pocket >> >> Wel, as far as audible goes that will be a problem if audible no >> longer wish to support our players. I don't no the price, they said >> now its only in Europe at this stage I think, but soon enough we >> should no. And the daisy online service is great but I guess that many >> people con't really take advantage of it just as much as othres could >> do that. The real bennifit now I think is the acapela, the calendar >> and alarm, and the epub and pdf support. How long is it now that we >> want pdf support. That is ausom. I also hope they will provide an >> upgrade path or something of that nature. >> >> On 09/11/2012, emma goodwin <emma.sleeptalk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I agree there. They inspired APH to really do nice things with the >>> bookport and some of their other devices but I agree in some ways >>> Plextalk can also improve. Nice comment though. >>> >>> On 11/9/12, Steve Nutt <steve(a)comproom.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> For my part, I hope it does Audible enhanced audio. None of the >>>> Plextalks >>>> do >>>> that so far, and it's time they did. >>>> >>>> They are so ahead on some things, and so behind on others. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Computer Room Services >>>> 77 Exeter Close >>>> Stevenage >>>> Hertfordshire >>>> SG1 4PW >>>> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >>>> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >>>> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >>>> Email: steve(a)comproom.co.uk >>>> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of emma goodwin >>>> Sent: 09 November 2012 15:36 >>>> To: Plextalk User Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] plextalk linio pocket >>>> >>>> I like the sound of it It sounds similar to the DT in some ways but it >>>> sounds like a real nice machine. I hope all plextalk users can have >>>> the ability to upgrade from their pocket to this new lineo pocket. >>>> Thanks Aidan, nice article. Plextalk is a great company. >>>> >>>> On 11/9/12, Aidan Maher <aidan.smarttalk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> This is what plextalk announced today: >>>>> >>>>>> For Immediate Release >>>>>> >>>>>> Shinano Kenshi Introduces PLEXTALK Linio Pocket >>>>>> >>>>>> The world's first portable DAISY online player and recorder >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brussels - 9 November 2012, Shinano Kenshi Europe today introduced >>>>>> the >>>>>> PLEXTALK Linio Pocket, the world's first portable DAISY online player >>>>>> and recorder, designed for the visually impaired and dyslexic to >>>>>> stream or download talking newspapers, magazines and books online. >>>>>> "PLEXTALK Linio Pocket is the smartest talking book player that we've >>>>>> ever developed in our long experience as a patent company and >>>>>> contributor to the global DAISY standard." said Marc Van der Aa, the >>>>>> sales manager of the assistive technology sales division. "We've >>>>>> designed a device with various advanced capabilities, thin and light >>>>>> weight with 8GB internal memory. You can immediately access any >>>>>> materials of your interest online wherever you have an Internet >>>>>> connection to a DAISY online service. It's not necessary any more to >>>>>> wait for a CD to be delivered or need a computer. We believe it will >>>>>> significantly help customers to reinvent their independent and >>>>>> brilliant >>>>>> life." >>>>>> >>>>>> The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket is one of the most robust DAISY players and >>>>>> recorders in the world, with its resin case it absorbs shocks and has >>>>>> passed a drop test from 150cm onto a steel floor, and a newly >>>>>> designed >>>>>> beautiful midnight blue color. The key layout is designed to cover >>>>>> all >>>>>> capabilities only using a finger or your thumb, with separated cross >>>>>> keys and numeric keys for intuitive navigation on the drip-proof >>>>>> keypad, which protects against liquids spills. >>>>>> >>>>>> The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket introduces enhanced audio features >>>>>> including >>>>>> the high-quality Acapela text to speech engine for highly natural >>>>>> narration with the choice of two voices, and PLEXVoice technology >>>>>> guarantees optimal sound quality in lower and higher speed playback, >>>>>> the built-in speaker is optimized to offer clear sound especially for >>>>>> the human voice, and the built-in microphone provides auto gain >>>>>> control system for recording in DAISY format. Users can also take >>>>>> advantage of the advanced full editing functionalities of the >>>>>> PLEXTALK >>>>>> Recording software, free of charge for buyers of the PLEXTALK Linio >>>>>> Pocket. >>>>>> >>>>>> The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket offers immediate access to DAISY online >>>>>> services in countries such as Finland, The Netherlands, Denmark, >>>>>> Belgium and Japan and more countries in the near future. The PLEXTALK >>>>>> Linio Pocket has access to web radio stations and podcasts through >>>>>> the >>>>>> built-in high speed wireless Internet connection, and detects >>>>>> automatically wireless network access points and security mode. A >>>>>> variety of content is supported such as EPUB and PDF*. Flexible data >>>>>> management by using intuitive commands to drag and drop any content >>>>>> from your personal computers to the PLEXTALK Linio Pocket by using >>>>>> Windows Explorer, or use the intuitively operational PLEXTALK >>>>>> transfer >>>>>> software. The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket also features advanced time >>>> management >>>>>> capabilities such as calendar and alarm functions*. >>>>>> *Available soon with a free firmware upgrade. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Availability >>>>>> >>>>>> PLEXTALK Linio Pocket will roll out in December in the following >>>>>> languages Dutch, English, German and Russian. The other languages >>>>>> will >>>>>> follow suit by free firmware upgrade. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Plextalk mailing list >>>>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> SleepTalk in action >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Plextalk mailing list >>>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Plextalk mailing list >>>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> SleepTalk in action >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > > -- > SleepTalk in action > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7677 (20121109) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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