From saemem@webgarden.ro Thu Jan  3 06:44:05 2019
From: saemem@webgarden.ro
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] How You Can Use LED TV In Positive Manner?
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 06:43:51 +0000
Message-ID: <154649783195.18438.8200557537148058151@mailman-web>
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Those who are hooked to daily soap operas, or watch sports channels regularly=
 cannot deny the importance of a good television. Thanks to the advances in t=
echnology, one of the best kinds of TV you can get yourself is an LED. An LED=
 television is an LCD TV with an LED backlit display. A more advanced version=
 of LCD televisions, any LED TV will give you a fantastic viewing experience.=
 At Snapdeal, you will find various screen sizes to choose from. Here you can=
 opt for an LED TV from brands like LG, Sony, Toshiba, Philips, Videocon, Sam=
sung, and others.

=20
LED TV Prices in India 2018 on Snapdeal.com
Sno
=20
Shop LED TVs Online at Low Prices

A television is one home appliance that is an investment. At Snapdeal you wil=
l find a wide array of LED televisions to choose from. They have thin bezels =
and will perfectly complement the decor of any living room. As they are light=
 in weight, they can be mounted on the wall of your living room or bedroom. Y=
ou can also place them on a table with the help of a stand provided. Each TV =
is accompanied by a remote control that lets you operate the TV with ease. LE=
D televisions are usually chosen on the basis of the screen size. For a bigge=
r room, you may opt for an LED TV with a screen size that is 32 Inch LED TVs =
or between 33 Inch - 42 Inch LED TVs, or 43 Inch - 54 Inch LED TVs. For a sma=
ller room, like a children's room or a guestroom, you can opt for a LED telev=
ision that is 23 Inch & Below TVs or 24 Inch to 31 Inch TVs. Those who want t=
o indulge in a larger than life experience can choose very large televisions =
like a 55 Inch & Above LED TVs. An LED TV that has a screen size of 84 inches=
 is sure to change the way you watch TV.
Impressive Features on LED TVs

LED televisions are equipped with mind-blowing features. There are full HD an=
d ultra HD televisions available. These televisions will ensure that you enjo=
y excellent picture quality. You can watch all the high-definition movies you=
 want on these televisions. Your choice of a TV can also be based on the numb=
er of USB ports and HDMI ports present. These ports will allow you to connect=
 DVD players and Blu-Ray players. With the Sound output option, you can also =
connect home theatres and other sound systems. Some of the televisions are eq=
uipped with features like Motion Control and Voice Control, and will also let=
 you connect to social media websites.

In addition to LED TVs, you can also check out the range of Smart TVs, 3D TVs=
, Standard Televisions and gaming televisions. The LED TV price range is a po=
cket-friendly one, and most of these televisions come with a manufacturers wa=
rranty too. If you want to redefine your TV viewing experience, buy LED TVs o=
nline <a href=3D"https://www.snapdeal.com/offers/deal-of-the-day">https://www=
.snapdeal.com/offers/deal-of-the-day</a>  from Snapdeal at economical prices,=
 also check great deals & offer.

=20
Popular LED TVs By Brands on Snapdeal

Shop LED TVs by Brands =3D> SONY TVs | Samsung TVs | Micromax TVs | VU TVs | =
LG TVs | Panasonic TVs | Videocon TVs | Philips TVs | Onida TVs | Sansui TVs =
| Haier TVs | AOC TVs

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From codeofdusk@gmail.com Thu Jan  3 07:04:32 2019
From: Bill Dengler <codeofdusk@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: How You Can Use LED TV In Positive Manner?
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 02:04:14 -0500
Message-ID: <B6B9593C-E1B0-4948-B4E3-B6BB7FF94474@gmail.com>
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Yep, definitely useful for us...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 01:43, saemem(a)webgarden.ro wrote:
>=20
> Those who are hooked to daily soap operas, or watch sports channels regular=
ly cannot deny the importance of a good television. Thanks to the advances in=
 technology, one of the best kinds of TV you can get yourself is an LED. An L=
ED television is an LCD TV with an LED backlit display. A more advanced versi=
on of LCD televisions, any LED TV will give you a fantastic viewing experienc=
e. At Snapdeal, you will find various screen sizes to choose from. Here you c=
an opt for an LED TV from brands like LG, Sony, Toshiba, Philips, Videocon, S=
amsung, and others.
>=20
>=20
> LED TV Prices in India 2018 on Snapdeal.com
> Sno
>=20
> Shop LED TVs Online at Low Prices
>=20
> A television is one home appliance that is an investment. At Snapdeal you w=
ill find a wide array of LED televisions to choose from. They have thin bezel=
s and will perfectly complement the decor of any living room. As they are lig=
ht in weight, they can be mounted on the wall of your living room or bedroom.=
 You can also place them on a table with the help of a stand provided. Each T=
V is accompanied by a remote control that lets you operate the TV with ease. =
LED televisions are usually chosen on the basis of the screen size. For a big=
ger room, you may opt for an LED TV with a screen size that is 32 Inch LED TV=
s or between 33 Inch - 42 Inch LED TVs, or 43 Inch - 54 Inch LED TVs. For a s=
maller room, like a children's room or a guestroom, you can opt for a LED tel=
evision that is 23 Inch & Below TVs or 24 Inch to 31 Inch TVs. Those who want=
 to indulge in a larger than life experience can choose very large television=
s like a 55 Inch & Above LED TVs. An LED TV that has a screen size of 84 inch=
es is sure to change the way you watch TV.
> Impressive Features on LED TVs
>=20
> LED televisions are equipped with mind-blowing features. There are full HD =
and ultra HD televisions available. These televisions will ensure that you en=
joy excellent picture quality. You can watch all the high-definition movies y=
ou want on these televisions. Your choice of a TV can also be based on the nu=
mber of USB ports and HDMI ports present. These ports will allow you to conne=
ct DVD players and Blu-Ray players. With the Sound output option, you can als=
o connect home theatres and other sound systems. Some of the televisions are =
equipped with features like Motion Control and Voice Control, and will also l=
et you connect to social media websites.
>=20
> In addition to LED TVs, you can also check out the range of Smart TVs, 3D T=
Vs, Standard Televisions and gaming televisions. The LED TV price range is a =
pocket-friendly one, and most of these televisions come with a manufacturers =
warranty too. If you want to redefine your TV viewing experience, buy LED TVs=
 online <a href=3D"https://www.snapdeal.com/offers/deal-of-the-day">https://w=
ww.snapdeal.com/offers/deal-of-the-day</a>  from Snapdeal at economical price=
s, also check great deals & offer.
>=20
>=20
> Popular LED TVs By Brands on Snapdeal
>=20
> Shop LED TVs by Brands =3D> SONY TVs | Samsung TVs | Micromax TVs | VU TVs =
| LG TVs | Panasonic TVs | Videocon TVs | Philips TVs | Onida TVs | Sansui TV=
s | Haier TVs | AOC TVs
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily=
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From thergert@vision-forward.org Thu Jan  3 19:59:28 2019
From: Troy Hergert <thergert@vision-forward.org>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Xcopy question
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 19:59:12 +0000
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Hello everyone,

I use a bat file with an xcopy command to copy the contents of a folder on on=
e nas drive to another.    It does not tseem to copy new sub folders.  My com=
mand line is as follows with I believe appropriate   switches.  Is xcopy the =
best route to go for this kind of procedure.  I try to run the command every =
month or so to get a backup of my main utilities folder.  It's around 150 Gb.=
  New files within existing folders copy no problem but new subfolders and th=
eir contents do not.  they seem to just get ignored.
Thanks for any advice.

xcopy "x:\utilities\*.*" y:\utilities\" /s /d /c /y

Troy
###


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From spaulding@icanbrew.com Thu Jan  3 20:55:31 2019
From: Timothy Spaulding <spaulding@icanbrew.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 20:55:21 +0000
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 <BL0PR01MB428971F1151EA61698084D01CD8D0@BL0PR01MB4289.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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My favorite utility for something like this where you want the exact same con=
tents on y:\utilities as you have on x:\utilities is robocopy:

Robocopy x:\utilityes y:\utilities /mir

The /mir switch will mirror the source to the target.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org>=20
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 2:59 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Xcopy question

Hello everyone,

I use a bat file with an xcopy command to copy the contents of a folder on on=
e nas drive to another.    It does not tseem to copy new sub folders.  My com=
mand line is as follows with I believe appropriate   switches.  Is xcopy the =
best route to go for this kind of procedure.  I try to run the command every =
month or so to get a backup of my main utilities folder.  It's around 150 Gb.=
  New files within existing folders copy no problem but new subfolders and th=
eir contents do not.  they seem to just get ignored.
Thanks for any advice.

xcopy "x:\utilities\*.*" y:\utilities\" /s /d /c /y

Troy
###

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From billy.irwin@outlook.com Thu Jan  3 21:57:08 2019
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 21:57:01 +0000
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Try this below. The description of the flags is below.

xcopy c:\ d:\ /h/i/c/k/e/r/y



In this command data will be copied from c:\ to D:\, even folders and system =
files as well. Here's what the flags do:

list of 7 items
* /h copies hidden and system files also
* /i if destination does not exist and copying more than one file, assume tha=
t destination must be a directory
* /c continue copying even if error occurs
* /k copies attributes
* /e copies directories and subdirectories, including empty ones
* /r overwrites read-only files
* /y suppress prompting to confirm whether you want to overwrite a file
list end

Best,

Billy
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org>=20
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 2:59 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Xcopy question

Hello everyone,

I use a bat file with an xcopy command to copy the contents of a folder on on=
e nas drive to another.    It does not tseem to copy new sub folders.  My com=
mand line is as follows with I believe appropriate   switches.  Is xcopy the =
best route to go for this kind of procedure.  I try to run the command every =
month or so to get a backup of my main utilities folder.  It's around 150 Gb.=
  New files within existing folders copy no problem but new subfolders and th=
eir contents do not.  they seem to just get ignored.
Thanks for any advice.

xcopy "x:\utilities\*.*" y:\utilities\" /s /d /c /y

Troy
###

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From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan  3 23:09:30 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 18:09:17 -0500
Message-ID: <01b801d4a3b9$5a96da60$0fc48f20$@jasonjgw.net>
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That would be my solution as well. Another alternative is rsync, but I'm not
sure whether it can preserve file attributes on NTFS file systems. It's the
standard solution on UNIX (including Linux and Mac) systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Spaulding <spaulding(a)icanbrew.com> 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:55 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question

My favorite utility for something like this where you want the exact same
contents on y:\utilities as you have on x:\utilities is robocopy:

Robocopy x:\utilityes y:\utilities /mir

The /mir switch will mirror the source to the target.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 2:59 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Xcopy question

Hello everyone,

I use a bat file with an xcopy command to copy the contents of a folder on
one nas drive to another.    It does not tseem to copy new sub folders.  My
command line is as follows with I believe appropriate   switches.  Is xcopy
the best route to go for this kind of procedure.  I try to run the command
every month or so to get a backup of my main utilities folder.  It's around
150 Gb.  New files within existing folders copy no problem but new
subfolders and their contents do not.  they seem to just get ignored.
Thanks for any advice.

xcopy "x:\utilities\*.*" y:\utilities\" /s /d /c /y

Troy
###

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From thergert@vision-forward.org Fri Jan  4 00:35:11 2019
From: Troy Hergert <thergert@vision-forward.org>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 00:34:59 +0000
Message-ID: <BL0PR11MB347660EC6C3195B01E251D89F38E0@BL0PR11MB3476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CDM6PR10MB29387AAF5BC0CBCA89943AA4EB8D0=40DM6PR10MB?=
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Thanks,
These switches made the difference.  I'm also interested in trying out roboco=
py.  Thanks for the help everyone.
###


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin(a)outlook.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:57 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question

Try this below. The description of the flags is below.

xcopy c:\ d:\ /h/i/c/k/e/r/y



In this command data will be copied from c:\ to D:\, even folders and system =
files as well. Here's what the flags do:

list of 7 items
* /h copies hidden and system files also
* /i if destination does not exist and copying more than one file, assume tha=
t destination must be a directory
* /c continue copying even if error occurs
* /k copies attributes
* /e copies directories and subdirectories, including empty ones
* /r overwrites read-only files
* /y suppress prompting to confirm whether you want to overwrite a file list =
end

Best,

Billy
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 2:59 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Xcopy question

Hello everyone,

I use a bat file with an xcopy command to copy the contents of a folder on on=
e nas drive to another.    It does not tseem to copy new sub folders.  My com=
mand line is as follows with I believe appropriate   switches.  Is xcopy the =
best route to go for this kind of procedure.  I try to run the command every =
month or so to get a backup of my main utilities folder.  It's around 150 Gb.=
  New files within existing folders copy no problem but new subfolders and th=
eir contents do not.  they seem to just get ignored.
Thanks for any advice.

xcopy "x:\utilities\*.*" y:\utilities\" /s /d /c /y

Troy
###

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From d@digitaldarragh.com Fri Jan  4 09:47:49 2019
From: Darragh =?utf-8?q?=C3=93_H=C3=A9iligh?= <d@digitaldarragh.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: How You Can Use LED TV In Positive Manner?
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 09:47:37 +0000
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I wouldn't ordinarily post this on this list but just because the topic was r=
aised recently, I was really surprised to find that my newly purchased Samsun=
g television has a fully functional screen reader.=20

I've recorded a quick intro video about this over on my website at www.digita=
ldarragh.com/blog if anyone is interested.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dengler <codeofdusk(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: Thursday 3 January 2019 07:04
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: How You Can Use LED TV In Positive Manner?

Yep, definitely useful for us...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 01:43, saemem(a)webgarden.ro wrote:
>=20
> Those who are hooked to daily soap operas, or watch sports channels regular=
ly cannot deny the importance of a good television. Thanks to the advances in=
 technology, one of the best kinds of TV you can get yourself is an LED. An L=
ED television is an LCD TV with an LED backlit display. A more advanced versi=
on of LCD televisions, any LED TV will give you a fantastic viewing experienc=
e. At Snapdeal, you will find various screen sizes to choose from. Here you c=
an opt for an LED TV from brands like LG, Sony, Toshiba, Philips, Videocon, S=
amsung, and others.
>=20
>=20
> LED TV Prices in India 2018 on Snapdeal.com Sno
>=20
> Shop LED TVs Online at Low Prices
>=20
> A television is one home appliance that is an investment. At Snapdeal you w=
ill find a wide array of LED televisions to choose from. They have thin bezel=
s and will perfectly complement the decor of any living room. As they are lig=
ht in weight, they can be mounted on the wall of your living room or bedroom.=
 You can also place them on a table with the help of a stand provided. Each T=
V is accompanied by a remote control that lets you operate the TV with ease. =
LED televisions are usually chosen on the basis of the screen size. For a big=
ger room, you may opt for an LED TV with a screen size that is 32 Inch LED TV=
s or between 33 Inch - 42 Inch LED TVs, or 43 Inch - 54 Inch LED TVs. For a s=
maller room, like a children's room or a guestroom, you can opt for a LED tel=
evision that is 23 Inch & Below TVs or 24 Inch to 31 Inch TVs. Those who want=
 to indulge in a larger than life experience can choose very large television=
s like a 55 Inch & Above LED TVs. An LED TV that has a screen size of 84 inch=
es is sure to change the way you watch TV.
> Impressive Features on LED TVs
>=20
> LED televisions are equipped with mind-blowing features. There are full HD =
and ultra HD televisions available. These televisions will ensure that you en=
joy excellent picture quality. You can watch all the high-definition movies y=
ou want on these televisions. Your choice of a TV can also be based on the nu=
mber of USB ports and HDMI ports present. These ports will allow you to conne=
ct DVD players and Blu-Ray players. With the Sound output option, you can als=
o connect home theatres and other sound systems. Some of the televisions are =
equipped with features like Motion Control and Voice Control, and will also l=
et you connect to social media websites.
>=20
> In addition to LED TVs, you can also check out the range of Smart TVs, 3D T=
Vs, Standard Televisions and gaming televisions. The LED TV price range is a =
pocket-friendly one, and most of these televisions come with a manufacturers =
warranty too. If you want to redefine your TV viewing experience, buy LED TVs=
 online <a href=3D"https://www.snapdeal.com/offers/deal-of-the-day">https://w=
ww.snapdeal.com/offers/deal-of-the-day</a>  from Snapdeal at economical price=
s, also check great deals & offer.
>=20
>=20
> Popular LED TVs By Brands on Snapdeal
>=20
> Shop LED TVs by Brands =3D> SONY TVs | Samsung TVs | Micromax TVs | VU=20
> TVs | LG TVs | Panasonic TVs | Videocon TVs | Philips TVs | Onida TVs=20
> | Sansui TVs | Haier TVs | AOC TVs=20
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to=20
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From KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com Fri Jan  4 12:14:12 2019
From: "Katherine M. Moss" <KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:13:58 +0000
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You can also use the copy items syntax from Powershell. That's what I would d=
o.

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Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:34:59 PM
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Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question

Thanks,
These switches made the difference.  I'm also interested in trying out roboco=
py.  Thanks for the help everyone.
###


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin(a)outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:57 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question

Try this below. The description of the flags is below.

xcopy c:\ d:\ /h/i/c/k/e/r/y



In this command data will be copied from c:\ to D:\, even folders and system =
files as well. Here's what the flags do:

list of 7 items
* /h copies hidden and system files also
* /i if destination does not exist and copying more than one file, assume tha=
t destination must be a directory
* /c continue copying even if error occurs
* /k copies attributes
* /e copies directories and subdirectories, including empty ones
* /r overwrites read-only files
* /y suppress prompting to confirm whether you want to overwrite a file list =
end

Best,

Billy
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 2:59 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Xcopy question

Hello everyone,

I use a bat file with an xcopy command to copy the contents of a folder on on=
e nas drive to another.    It does not tseem to copy new sub folders.  My com=
mand line is as follows with I believe appropriate   switches.  Is xcopy the =
best route to go for this kind of procedure.  I try to run the command every =
month or so to get a backup of my main utilities folder.  It's around 150 Gb.=
  New files within existing folders copy no problem but new subfolders and th=
eir contents do not.  they seem to just get ignored.
Thanks for any advice.

xcopy "x:\utilities\*.*" y:\utilities\" /s /d /c /y

Troy
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan  4 13:26:03 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 08:25:48 -0500
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That's also an excellent solution, with the -recurse parameter. If you care
about preserving file attributes, permissions, etc., this may not be what
you need.

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 7:14 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Katherine M. Moss <KMoss(a)WinterHillSolutions.com>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question

You can also use the copy items syntax from Powershell. That's what I would
do.

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________________________________
From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:34:59 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question

Thanks,
These switches made the difference.  I'm also interested in trying out
robocopy.  Thanks for the help everyone.
###


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin(a)outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:57 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Xcopy question

Try this below. The description of the flags is below.

xcopy c:\ d:\ /h/i/c/k/e/r/y



In this command data will be copied from c:\ to D:\, even folders and system
files as well. Here's what the flags do:

list of 7 items
* /h copies hidden and system files also
* /i if destination does not exist and copying more than one file, assume
that destination must be a directory
* /c continue copying even if error occurs
* /k copies attributes
* /e copies directories and subdirectories, including empty ones
* /r overwrites read-only files
* /y suppress prompting to confirm whether you want to overwrite a file list
end

Best,

Billy
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 2:59 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Xcopy question

Hello everyone,

I use a bat file with an xcopy command to copy the contents of a folder on
one nas drive to another.    It does not tseem to copy new sub folders.  My
command line is as follows with I believe appropriate   switches.  Is xcopy
the best route to go for this kind of procedure.  I try to run the command
every month or so to get a backup of my main utilities folder.  It's around
150 Gb.  New files within existing folders copy no problem but new
subfolders and their contents do not.  they seem to just get ignored.
Thanks for any advice.

xcopy "x:\utilities\*.*" y:\utilities\" /s /d /c /y

Troy
###

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From dave.mehler@gmail.com Fri Jan  4 18:57:11 2019
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] chillispot hotspot
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 13:57:01 -0500
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Hello,

Does anyone use chillispot as a hotspot captive portal? If so, where
are the files to edit/change interface options, things like for
example the terms of service?

Thanks.
Dave.

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From dave.mehler@gmail.com Sat Jan  5 17:55:45 2019
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject:
 [Blind-sysadmins] Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ Setup
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 12:55:29 -0500
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Hello,

I'm trying to update my server security. I'm wanting to implement the
OWASP recommended Advanced+ setup. For reference that is:

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/TLS_Cipher_String_Cheat_Sheet

My client compatibility I thought was good, using firefox 57, chrome
the latest I just updated it from ninite, and ie11 on win10, and
Aquamail as an android client.

My tls cipher suite I'm using for the advanced+ configuration is:

DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA3=
84:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256

Having set this nothing is working, getting tls connection errors can
not negotiate a compatible protocol or cipher. This tells me the
protocols and ciphers are to restrictive, I was under the impression
this should work. Does anyone have this implemented? Can you make
exceptions for certain clients I'll go that way if I have to.

The services I'm trying to get going are Apache v2.4, Postfix 3.3, and
dovecot 2.3. My openssl version is 1.02q 20 NOV. 2018.

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.

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From andrew@hodgson.io Sat Jan  5 23:52:16 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject:
 [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ Setup
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:52:02 +0000
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Hi,

I would check you are using the correct SSL versions as well as the A+ needs =
TLS 1.2 with those ciphers so any other TLS version wouldn't work.

You cannot make exceptions for specific clients as the handshake is done as t=
he first step so the client isn't even identified.  You can of course configu=
re the strings in different servers differently.  I think you may be able to =
get away with B now on web servers but if you are dealing with other protocol=
s (especially IMAP/S and SMTP/S) I would set these to C.

Which reminds me I need to check my own list as it is out of date.
Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: 05 January 2019 17:55
To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ S=
etup

Hello,

I'm trying to update my server security. I'm wanting to implement the OWASP r=
ecommended Advanced+ setup. For reference that is:

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/TLS_Cipher_String_Cheat_Sheet

My client compatibility I thought was good, using firefox 57, chrome the late=
st I just updated it from ninite, and ie11 on win10, and Aquamail as an andro=
id client.

My tls cipher suite I'm using for the advanced+ configuration is:

DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA3=
84:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256

Having set this nothing is working, getting tls connection errors can not neg=
otiate a compatible protocol or cipher. This tells me the protocols and ciphe=
rs are to restrictive, I was under the impression this should work. Does anyo=
ne have this implemented? Can you make exceptions for certain clients I'll go=
 that way if I have to.

The services I'm trying to get going are Apache v2.4, Postfix 3.3, and doveco=
t 2.3. My openssl version is 1.02q 20 NOV. 2018.

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.
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From andrew@hodgson.io Sun Jan  6 00:08:31 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject:
 [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ Setup
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 00:08:17 +0000
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FWIW I just implemented the cipher suites for B (broad compatibility) and got=
 a higher score on the Qualys SSL Labs test (got A+ both times but higher sco=
re on secure ciphers second time).  I think that B should be enough unless yo=
u want to really start locking down.  I wouldn't go any higher than B on a pu=
blic web server anyway.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
Sent: 05 January 2019 23:52
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advance=
d+ Setup

Hi,

I would check you are using the correct SSL versions as well as the A+ needs =
TLS 1.2 with those ciphers so any other TLS version wouldn't work.

You cannot make exceptions for specific clients as the handshake is done as t=
he first step so the client isn't even identified.  You can of course configu=
re the strings in different servers differently.  I think you may be able to =
get away with B now on web servers but if you are dealing with other protocol=
s (especially IMAP/S and SMTP/S) I would set these to C.

Which reminds me I need to check my own list as it is out of date.
Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: 05 January 2019 17:55
To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ S=
etup

Hello,

I'm trying to update my server security. I'm wanting to implement the OWASP r=
ecommended Advanced+ setup. For reference that is:

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/TLS_Cipher_String_Cheat_Sheet

My client compatibility I thought was good, using firefox 57, chrome the late=
st I just updated it from ninite, and ie11 on win10, and Aquamail as an andro=
id client.

My tls cipher suite I'm using for the advanced+ configuration is:

DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA3=
84:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256

Having set this nothing is working, getting tls connection errors can not neg=
otiate a compatible protocol or cipher. This tells me the protocols and ciphe=
rs are to restrictive, I was under the impression this should work. Does anyo=
ne have this implemented? Can you make exceptions for certain clients I'll go=
 that way if I have to.

The services I'm trying to get going are Apache v2.4, Postfix 3.3, and doveco=
t 2.3. My openssl version is 1.02q 20 NOV. 2018.

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks.
Dave.
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From dave.mehler@gmail.com Sun Jan  6 00:19:17 2019
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject:
 [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ Setup
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 19:19:05 -0500
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Hello Andrew,

Thanks for your reply. My openssl version is 1.02q of November 2018.
The ciphers I'm using were from the A+ OWASP. Clients are Android 7.1
Aquamail, and IE11.

Andrew, where are you getting your ciphers from? They seem more
advanced yours are working, and the article i'm referencing. I'd like
to go with A+ or A if doable.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 1/5/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
> FWIW I just implemented the cipher suites for B (broad compatibility) and
> got a higher score on the Qualys SSL Labs test (got A+ both times but higher
> score on secure ciphers second time).  I think that B should be enough
> unless you want to really start locking down.  I wouldn't go any higher than
> B on a public web server anyway.
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 05 January 2019 23:52
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
> Advanced+ Setup
>
> Hi,
>
> I would check you are using the correct SSL versions as well as the A+ needs
> TLS 1.2 with those ciphers so any other TLS version wouldn't work.
>
> You cannot make exceptions for specific clients as the handshake is done as
> the first step so the client isn't even identified.  You can of course
> configure the strings in different servers differently.  I think you may be
> able to get away with B now on web servers but if you are dealing with other
> protocols (especially IMAP/S and SMTP/S) I would set these to C.
>
> Which reminds me I need to check my own list as it is out of date.
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: 05 January 2019 17:55
> To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+
> Setup
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to update my server security. I'm wanting to implement the OWASP
> recommended Advanced+ setup. For reference that is:
>
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/TLS_Cipher_String_Cheat_Sheet
>
> My client compatibility I thought was good, using firefox 57, chrome the
> latest I just updated it from ninite, and ie11 on win10, and Aquamail as an
> android client.
>
> My tls cipher suite I'm using for the advanced+ configuration is:
>
> DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SH=
A384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
>
> Having set this nothing is working, getting tls connection errors can not
> negotiate a compatible protocol or cipher. This tells me the protocols and
> ciphers are to restrictive, I was under the impression this should work.
> Does anyone have this implemented? Can you make exceptions for certain
> clients I'll go that way if I have to.
>
> The services I'm trying to get going are Apache v2.4, Postfix 3.3, and
> dovecot 2.3. My openssl version is 1.02q 20 NOV. 2018.
>
> Suggestions welcome.
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
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From andrew@hodgson.io Sun Jan  6 17:43:57 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject:
 [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ Setup
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 17:43:43 +0000
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Hi,

As I said I put my settings to the B grade which I think is strong enough wit=
hout disabling clients.  I wouldn't go higher than B when configuring hardeni=
ng at work in any case.

In terms of the SSL versions I am not talking about OpenSSL version but the v=
ersion of the TLS protocol you are using, if you are using A+ or A you need t=
o explicitly state only allowing TLS 1.2 and nothing else, if you specify oth=
er TLS versions it may mismatch.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: 06 January 2019 00:19
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advance=
d+ Setup

Hello Andrew,

Thanks for your reply. My openssl version is 1.02q of November 2018.
The ciphers I'm using were from the A+ OWASP. Clients are Android 7.1 Aquamai=
l, and IE11.

Andrew, where are you getting your ciphers from? They seem more advanced your=
s are working, and the article i'm referencing. I'd like to go with A+ or A i=
f doable.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 1/5/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
> FWIW I just implemented the cipher suites for B (broad compatibility)=20
> and got a higher score on the Qualys SSL Labs test (got A+ both times=20
> but higher score on secure ciphers second time).  I think that B=20
> should be enough unless you want to really start locking down.  I=20
> wouldn't go any higher than B on a public web server anyway.
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 05 January 2019 23:52
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
> Advanced+ Setup
>
> Hi,
>
> I would check you are using the correct SSL versions as well as the A+=20
> needs TLS 1.2 with those ciphers so any other TLS version wouldn't work.
>
> You cannot make exceptions for specific clients as the handshake is=20
> done as the first step so the client isn't even identified.  You can=20
> of course configure the strings in different servers differently.  I=20
> think you may be able to get away with B now on web servers but if you=20
> are dealing with other protocols (especially IMAP/S and SMTP/S) I would set=
 these to C.
>
> Which reminds me I need to check my own list as it is out of date.
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: 05 January 2019 17:55
> To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Implementing Encryption with the OWASP=20
> Advanced+ Setup
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to update my server security. I'm wanting to implement the=20
> OWASP recommended Advanced+ setup. For reference that is:
>
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/TLS_Cipher_String_Cheat_Sheet
>
> My client compatibility I thought was good, using firefox 57, chrome=20
> the latest I just updated it from ninite, and ie11 on win10, and=20
> Aquamail as an android client.
>
> My tls cipher suite I'm using for the advanced+ configuration is:
>
> DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-G
> CM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
>
> Having set this nothing is working, getting tls connection errors can=20
> not negotiate a compatible protocol or cipher. This tells me the=20
> protocols and ciphers are to restrictive, I was under the impression this s=
hould work.
> Does anyone have this implemented? Can you make exceptions for certain=20
> clients I'll go that way if I have to.
>
> The services I'm trying to get going are Apache v2.4, Postfix 3.3, and=20
> dovecot 2.3. My openssl version is 1.02q 20 NOV. 2018.
>
> Suggestions welcome.
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
> _______________________________________________
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From dave.mehler@gmail.com Mon Jan  7 02:44:59 2019
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject:
 [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ Setup
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:44:42 -0500
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 <CAPORhP5fj6w0dyMbQGtsROq_o4vZqacrNd_04cV_Z=jvOn8nBw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Andrew,

Thanks. Does b only allow TLS 1.2? That's the only thing I am wanting,
can I get a look at your settings? I'd like to compare yours to mine?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 1/6/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As I said I put my settings to the B grade which I think is strong enough
> without disabling clients.  I wouldn't go higher than B when configuring
> hardening at work in any case.
>
> In terms of the SSL versions I am not talking about OpenSSL version but the
> version of the TLS protocol you are using, if you are using A+ or A you need
> to explicitly state only allowing TLS 1.2 and nothing else, if you specify
> other TLS versions it may mismatch.
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: 06 January 2019 00:19
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
> Advanced+ Setup
>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> Thanks for your reply. My openssl version is 1.02q of November 2018.
> The ciphers I'm using were from the A+ OWASP. Clients are Android 7.1
> Aquamail, and IE11.
>
> Andrew, where are you getting your ciphers from? They seem more advanced
> yours are working, and the article i'm referencing. I'd like to go with A+
> or A if doable.
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
>
>
> On 1/5/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
>> FWIW I just implemented the cipher suites for B (broad compatibility)
>> and got a higher score on the Qualys SSL Labs test (got A+ both times
>> but higher score on secure ciphers second time).  I think that B
>> should be enough unless you want to really start locking down.  I
>> wouldn't go any higher than B on a public web server anyway.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: 05 January 2019 23:52
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
>> Advanced+ Setup
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would check you are using the correct SSL versions as well as the A+
>> needs TLS 1.2 with those ciphers so any other TLS version wouldn't work.
>>
>> You cannot make exceptions for specific clients as the handshake is
>> done as the first step so the client isn't even identified.  You can
>> of course configure the strings in different servers differently.  I
>> think you may be able to get away with B now on web servers but if you
>> are dealing with other protocols (especially IMAP/S and SMTP/S) I would
>> set these to C.
>>
>> Which reminds me I need to check my own list as it is out of date.
>> Andrew.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>
>> Sent: 05 January 2019 17:55
>> To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
>> Advanced+ Setup
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm trying to update my server security. I'm wanting to implement the
>> OWASP recommended Advanced+ setup. For reference that is:
>>
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/TLS_Cipher_String_Cheat_Sheet
>>
>> My client compatibility I thought was good, using firefox 57, chrome
>> the latest I just updated it from ninite, and ie11 on win10, and
>> Aquamail as an android client.
>>
>> My tls cipher suite I'm using for the advanced+ configuration is:
>>
>> DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-G
>> CM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
>>
>> Having set this nothing is working, getting tls connection errors can
>> not negotiate a compatible protocol or cipher. This tells me the
>> protocols and ciphers are to restrictive, I was under the impression this
>> should work.
>> Does anyone have this implemented? Can you make exceptions for certain
>> clients I'll go that way if I have to.
>>
>> The services I'm trying to get going are Apache v2.4, Postfix 3.3, and
>> dovecot 2.3. My openssl version is 1.02q 20 NOV. 2018.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Dave.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From andrew@hodgson.io Mon Jan  7 11:34:57 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject:
 [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advanced+ Setup
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 11:34:39 +0000
Message-ID: <DB6PR0801MB1880AC3EB071CB93AFA5DD39AF890@DB6PR0801MB1880.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi,

I am Nginx over here so here is my config which is grade B:

 server {
  listen 443 ssl;
  listen [::]:443 ssl;
[...]
  ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/samwise.hodgsonfamily.org/fullchain.p=
em;
  ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/samwise.hodgsonfamily.org/privkey=
.pem;
  ssl_protocols TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2;
  ssl_ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-A=
ES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AE=
S128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-=
SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA;
  ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on;
  add_header Strict-Transport-Security "max-age=3D31536000; includeSubdomains=
";
  ssl_dhparam /etc/ssl/private/dhparam.pem;
  ssl_stapling on;
  ssl_stapling_verify on;

If you want A or A+ you need to ensure you are enabling TLS 1.2 only and noth=
ing else.

Andrew.

________________________________________
From: David Mehler [dave.mehler(a)gmail.com]
Sent: 07 January 2019 02:44
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP Advance=
d+ Setup

Hello Andrew,

Thanks. Does b only allow TLS 1.2? That's the only thing I am wanting,
can I get a look at your settings? I'd like to compare yours to mine?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 1/6/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As I said I put my settings to the B grade which I think is strong enough
> without disabling clients.  I wouldn't go higher than B when configuring
> hardening at work in any case.
>
> In terms of the SSL versions I am not talking about OpenSSL version but the
> version of the TLS protocol you are using, if you are using A+ or A you need
> to explicitly state only allowing TLS 1.2 and nothing else, if you specify
> other TLS versions it may mismatch.
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: 06 January 2019 00:19
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
> Advanced+ Setup
>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> Thanks for your reply. My openssl version is 1.02q of November 2018.
> The ciphers I'm using were from the A+ OWASP. Clients are Android 7.1
> Aquamail, and IE11.
>
> Andrew, where are you getting your ciphers from? They seem more advanced
> yours are working, and the article i'm referencing. I'd like to go with A+
> or A if doable.
>
> Thanks.
> Dave.
>
>
> On 1/5/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
>> FWIW I just implemented the cipher suites for B (broad compatibility)
>> and got a higher score on the Qualys SSL Labs test (got A+ both times
>> but higher score on secure ciphers second time).  I think that B
>> should be enough unless you want to really start locking down.  I
>> wouldn't go any higher than B on a public web server anyway.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: 05 January 2019 23:52
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
>> Advanced+ Setup
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would check you are using the correct SSL versions as well as the A+
>> needs TLS 1.2 with those ciphers so any other TLS version wouldn't work.
>>
>> You cannot make exceptions for specific clients as the handshake is
>> done as the first step so the client isn't even identified.  You can
>> of course configure the strings in different servers differently.  I
>> think you may be able to get away with B now on web servers but if you
>> are dealing with other protocols (especially IMAP/S and SMTP/S) I would
>> set these to C.
>>
>> Which reminds me I need to check my own list as it is out of date.
>> Andrew.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>
>> Sent: 05 January 2019 17:55
>> To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Implementing Encryption with the OWASP
>> Advanced+ Setup
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm trying to update my server security. I'm wanting to implement the
>> OWASP recommended Advanced+ setup. For reference that is:
>>
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/TLS_Cipher_String_Cheat_Sheet
>>
>> My client compatibility I thought was good, using firefox 57, chrome
>> the latest I just updated it from ninite, and ie11 on win10, and
>> Aquamail as an android client.
>>
>> My tls cipher suite I'm using for the advanced+ configuration is:
>>
>> DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-G
>> CM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
>>
>> Having set this nothing is working, getting tls connection errors can
>> not negotiate a compatible protocol or cipher. This tells me the
>> protocols and ciphers are to restrictive, I was under the impression this
>> should work.
>> Does anyone have this implemented? Can you make exceptions for certain
>> clients I'll go that way if I have to.
>>
>> The services I'm trying to get going are Apache v2.4, Postfix 3.3, and
>> dovecot 2.3. My openssl version is 1.02q 20 NOV. 2018.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Dave.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From mhysnm1964@gmail.com Sun Jan 13 23:26:20 2019
From: mhysnm1964@gmail.com
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:26:23 +1100
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All,

 

The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large
number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired
in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below
podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.

 

http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is
-so-very-wrong/#comment-49688

 


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From d@digitaldarragh.com Mon Jan 14 11:16:39 2019
From: Darragh =?utf-8?q?=C3=93_H=C3=A9iligh?= <d@digitaldarragh.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:16:23 +0000
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Thanks for highlighting this.=20

I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very =
wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednes=
day.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

All,

=20

The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast=
 is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of n=
egative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. =
They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an exc=
ellent job in highlighting the errors.

=20

http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is
-so-very-wrong/#comment-49688

=20

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From andrew@hodgson.io Mon Jan 14 11:21:09 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:21:01 +0000
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Hi,

Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a c=
ouple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Thanks for highlighting this.

I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very =
wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednes=
day.

-----Original Message-----
From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

All,



The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast=
 is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of n=
egative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. =
They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an exc=
ellent job in highlighting the errors.



http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is
-so-very-wrong/#comment-49688



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From d@digitaldarragh.com Mon Jan 14 12:27:02 2019
From: Darragh =?utf-8?q?=C3=93_H=C3=A9iligh?= <d@digitaldarragh.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:26:56 +0000
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All he's said is he's completely uninterested in this.=20

This isn't surprising. It's normal for him not to respond well to constructiv=
e feedback. So I(a)m hoping Leo and Mary Joe will speak to him and maybe we'l=
l have some clarification on Wednesday.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 11:21
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a c=
ouple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Thanks for highlighting this.

I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very =
wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednes=
day.

-----Original Message-----
From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

All,



The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast=
 is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of n=
egative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. =
They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an exc=
ellent job in highlighting the errors.



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-so-very-wrong/#comment-49688



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From sm@noisynotes.com Mon Jan 14 15:19:31 2019
From: Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:17:05 -0500
Message-ID: <e76900c3-6119-672d-d269-b2031748b147@noisynotes.com>
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I think what the WW603 people were referring to was the short-form 
installation dialog that was demonstrated. I also think that Microsoft 
should tailor it a bit and do what Apple does, which is to ask a short 
question at the beginning of the install to determine if voice guidance 
is wanted. That having been said, I know at least four 
non-visually-impaired people who installed their copies of Windows using 
the Cortana method and found it useful and helpful.


But of course you are absolutely correct about image deployment across 
an enterprise. These issues would not, do not, crop up.


On 1/13/2019 6:26 PM, mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com wrote:
> All,
>
>   
>
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large
> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired
> in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below
> podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>
>   
>
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>
>   

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From jheim@math.wisc.edu Mon Jan 14 16:36:16 2019
From: John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:36:06 -0600
Message-ID: <82c1f8b4-e861-250b-7565-be15403757e9@math.wisc.edu>
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I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.=20
While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,=20
accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more=20
blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone=20
over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a=20
trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform the=20
job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft=20
can make to Windows  that can change the careers, and therefore the very=20
lives, of a whole class of people.


Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't=20
make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A=20
typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the=20
job market.


On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a=
 couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> Thanks for highlighting this.
>=20
> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was ver=
y wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wedn=
esday.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> All,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podca=
st is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of=
 negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows=
. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an e=
xcellent job in highlighting the errors.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily=
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From barry@tonermail.co.uk Mon Jan 14 17:09:54 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:09:44 +0000
Message-ID: <AM6PR02MB470558B33CC7B721BFBD179BF9800@AM6PR02MB4705.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi,

I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.=20
While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,=20
accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more=20
blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone=20
over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a=20
trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform the=20
job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft=20
can make to Windows  that can change the careers, and therefore the very=20
lives, of a whole class of people.


Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't=20
make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A=20
typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the=20
job market.


On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a=
 couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> Thanks for highlighting this.
>=20
> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was ver=
y wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wedn=
esday.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> All,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podca=
st is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of=
 negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows=
. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an e=
xcellent job in highlighting the errors.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily=
.org
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From billy.irwin@outlook.com Mon Jan 14 17:12:03 2019
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:11:51 +0000
Message-ID: <BL0PR10MB2929ABBB9D0FF24ED7338EBDEB800@BL0PR10MB2929.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directl=
y.

Best

Billy L. Irwin - K9OH

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodg=
sonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.=20
While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessib=
ility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins =
than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install=
 Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial thing. it is a matter=
 of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. The=
re aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  that can change the=
 careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people.


Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it =
harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doe=
sn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.


On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a=
 couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> Thanks for highlighting this.
>=20
> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was ver=
y wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wedn=
esday.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> All,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podca=
st is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of=
 negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows=
. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an e=
xcellent job in highlighting the errors.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
> ott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to=20
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to=20
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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> To unsubscribe send an email to=20
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From barry@tonermail.co.uk Mon Jan 14 20:32:22 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:32:13 +0000
Message-ID: <AM6PR02MB47053A6A4EF49A55DE696001F9800@AM6PR02MB4705.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi,

I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind Associatio=
n discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out there, and that p=
eople contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is heard.  This=
 is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, after a few hours and a=
 fair number of cigarettes.

Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this.  As =
I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect chang=
e the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important that we contac=
t them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and accompanyi=
ng comments.

Barry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directl=
y.

Best

Billy L. Irwin - K9OH

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodg=
sonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.=20
While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessib=
ility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins =
than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install=
 Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial thing. it is a matter=
 of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. The=
re aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  that can change the=
 careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people.


Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it =
harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doe=
sn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.


On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a=
 couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> Thanks for highlighting this.
>=20
> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was ver=
y wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wedn=
esday.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> All,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podca=
st is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of=
 negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows=
. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an e=
xcellent job in highlighting the errors.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
> ott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to=20
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to=20
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> _______________________________________________
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> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to=20
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>=20
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From andrew@hodgson.io Mon Jan 14 20:57:24 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:57:15 +0000
Message-ID: <DB6PR0801MB1880A351AE6772E120B043E2AF800@DB6PR0801MB1880.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi,

Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many podcas=
ts so had to make a bit of time.

I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking a=
bout but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what the end decision=
 is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they implemented it was=
 probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I know of hates the thin=
g and wants to get rid of it.  Also if you try and use it without enabling Na=
rrator you will have a tough time, so I think it needs addressing.  However t=
he podcast was totally wrong and the comments made were at best misguided and=
 at worse will only serve to clarify people's misguided opinion on what peopl=
e with little or no sight can do on a computer.

I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but I=
 like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving th=
e minimum of noise.

If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing Wi=
ndows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased with th=
e work that MS did.  However I did do a survey afterwards about how many peop=
le would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said they wo=
uld try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me feel a =
bit sad.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>=20
Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind Associatio=
n discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out there, and that p=
eople contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is heard.  This=
 is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, after a few hours and a=
 fair number of cigarettes.

Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this.  As =
I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect chang=
e the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important that we contac=
t them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and accompanyi=
ng comments.

Barry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directl=
y.

Best

Billy L. Irwin - K9OH

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodg=
sonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.=20
While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessib=
ility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins =
than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install=
 Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial thing. it is a matter=
 of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. The=
re aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  that can change the=
 careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people.


Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it =
harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doe=
sn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.


On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a=
 couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> Thanks for highlighting this.
>=20
> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was ver=
y wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wedn=
esday.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> All,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podca=
st is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of=
 negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows=
. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an e=
xcellent job in highlighting the errors.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
> ott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>=20
>=20
>=20
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From barry@tonermail.co.uk Tue Jan 15 07:02:11 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:01:21 +0000
Message-ID: <D3BB5BAA-489E-430F-851D-E0D28FC81B61@tonermail.co.uk>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8620850851984701199=="

--===============8620850851984701199==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.  =
I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerl=
ine adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Power=
line adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect t=
he Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. =
 All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline ada=
ptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and app=
arently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather h=
ow is it being addressed?

At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that =
doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline adap=
tors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly fro=
m the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6. =20

Hope this makes sense?

Cheers,
Barry.

--===============8620850851984701199==--


From barry@tonermail.co.uk Tue Jan 15 07:56:09 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 07:55:52 +0000
Message-ID: <AM6PR02MB470520CC2069F2D76CF6C785F9810@AM6PR02MB4705.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: <D3BB5BAA-489E-430F-851D-E0D28FC81B61@tonermail.co.uk>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3925925854373438817=="

--===============3925925854373438817==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is=
 no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor=
....

Thanks for any help.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue

Hi all,

I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.  =
I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerl=
ine adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Power=
line adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect t=
he Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. =
 All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline ada=
ptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and app=
arently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather h=
ow is it being addressed?

At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that =
doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline adap=
tors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly fro=
m the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6. =20

Hope this makes sense?

Cheers,
Barry.
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From barry@tonermail.co.uk Tue Jan 15 08:41:34 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 08:41:19 +0000
Message-ID: <AM6PR02MB4705E935645C8296EFE1E5E4F9810@AM6PR02MB4705.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CAM6PR02MB470520CC2069F2D76CF6C785F9810=40AM6PR02MB?=
 =?utf-8?q?4705=2Eeurprd02=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?=
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5820287554050451499=="

--===============5820287554050451499==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.

So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my power=
line adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.=
1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168=
.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus =
router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB!=
  I don't have Sky!
I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartme=
nt are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird and how can =
I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was using this powerlin=
e adaptor two days aago and I could access my network!

Thanks all,
Barry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Hi,

To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is=
 no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor=
....

Thanks for any help.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue

Hi all,

I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.  =
I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerl=
ine adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Power=
line adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect t=
he Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. =
 All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline ada=
ptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and app=
arently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather h=
ow is it being addressed?

At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that =
doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline adap=
tors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly fro=
m the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6. =20

Hope this makes sense?

Cheers,
Barry.
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From barry@tonermail.co.uk Tue Jan 15 08:43:47 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 08:43:38 +0000
Message-ID: <AM6PR02MB47051F14FE0ED2DC46FD09F8F9810@AM6PR02MB4705.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CAM6PR02MB4705E935645C8296EFE1E5E4F9810=40AM6PR02MB?=
 =?utf-8?q?4705=2Eeurprd02=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?=
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Yes this is creepy.  I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is.  Th=
ere's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names...



Barry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Hi,

I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.

So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my power=
line adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.=
1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168=
.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus =
router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB!=
  I don't have Sky!
I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartme=
nt are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird and how can =
I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was using this powerlin=
e adaptor two days aago and I could access my network!

Thanks all,
Barry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Hi,

To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is=
 no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor=
....

Thanks for any help.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue

Hi all,

I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.  =
I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerl=
ine adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Power=
line adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect t=
he Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. =
 All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline ada=
ptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and app=
arently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather h=
ow is it being addressed?

At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that =
doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline adap=
tors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly fro=
m the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6. =20

Hope this makes sense?

Cheers,
Barry.
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From codeofdusk@gmail.com Tue Jan 15 09:43:40 2019
From: Bill Dengler <codeofdusk@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:43:17 -0500
Message-ID: <36199118-FBD3-4462-BB89-820CD0F7153A@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CAM6PR02MB47051F14FE0ED2DC46FD09F8F9810=40AM6PR02MB?=
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Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administ=
ration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wire=
less/professional, both/all bands)?

Bill
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Yes this is creepy.  I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is.  =
There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names...
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Barry.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.
>=20
> So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my pow=
erline adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.=
0.1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.1=
68.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asu=
s router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
> Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HU=
B!  I don't have Sky!
> I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other apart=
ment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird and how ca=
n I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was using this powerl=
ine adaptor two days aago and I could access my network!
>=20
> Thanks all,
> Barry.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router =
is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adapt=
or....
>=20
> Thanks for any help.
>=20
> Barry
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi all,
>=20
> I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.=
  I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
> When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powe=
rline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Pow=
erline adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect=
 the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected=
.  All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline a=
daptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and a=
pparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather=
 how is it being addressed?
>=20
> At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but tha=
t doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline ad=
aptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly f=
rom the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6. =20
>=20
> Hope this makes sense?
>=20
> Cheers,
> Barry.
> _______________________________________________
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From barry@tonermail.co.uk Tue Jan 15 10:05:17 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 10:04:54 +0000
Message-ID: <AM6PR02MB470570586A998B8C55D15E61F9810@AM6PR02MB4705.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: <36199118-FBD3-4462-BB89-820CD0F7153A@gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Hi,

It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network.  Probably=
 due to the properties being connected.  A bit of googling has told me that I=
 should be able to get back onto my own network by encrypting/securing my pow=
erline adaptors.

Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk(a)gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administ=
ration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wire=
less/professional, both/all bands)?

Bill
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Yes this is creepy.  I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is.  =
There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names...
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Barry.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.
>=20
> So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my pow=
erline adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.=
0.1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.1=
68.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asu=
s router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
> Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HU=
B!  I don't have Sky!
> I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other apart=
ment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird and how ca=
n I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was using this powerl=
ine adaptor two days aago and I could access my network!
>=20
> Thanks all,
> Barry.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router =
is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adapt=
or....
>=20
> Thanks for any help.
>=20
> Barry
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi all,
>=20
> I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.=
  I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
> When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powe=
rline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Pow=
erline adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect=
 the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected=
.  All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline a=
daptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and a=
pparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather=
 how is it being addressed?
>=20
> At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but tha=
t doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline ad=
aptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly f=
rom the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6. =20
>=20
> Hope this makes sense?
>=20
> Cheers,
> Barry.
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From d@digitaldarragh.com Tue Jan 15 10:05:22 2019
From: Darragh =?utf-8?q?=C3=93_H=C3=A9iligh?= <d@digitaldarragh.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 10:05:11 +0000
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Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets @Thu=
rrott with the following:=20

#AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte=20

You could write a message like this:=20

Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to administer tho=
usands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #L=
eoLaporte=20

Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader. #Accessibil=
ityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte=20

Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and NVAccess, =
Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWe=
ekly #LeoLaporte=20

I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible. #Acces=
sibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte=20

I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins @Thurr=
ott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte=20

Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.  I really want the messages re=
lating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's mind while th=
ey sit down to present tomorrow's show.=20

Feel free to ask people to retweet.=20


I agree that The OOB experience could be better.=20
And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, the poi=
nts I was making weren't related to the OOB.  Certain people who disagree wit=
h me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with frustrations aro=
und OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. Not the way h=
e attacked the OOB. =20

I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are misunderstand=
ing me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes intentionally on some=
 other forums.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many podcas=
ts so had to make a bit of time.

I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking a=
bout but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what the end decision=
 is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they implemented it was=
 probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I know of hates the thin=
g and wants to get rid of it.  Also if you try and use it without enabling Na=
rrator you will have a tough time, so I think it needs addressing.  However t=
he podcast was totally wrong and the comments made were at best misguided and=
 at worse will only serve to clarify people's misguided opinion on what peopl=
e with little or no sight can do on a computer.

I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but I=
 like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving th=
e minimum of noise.

If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing Wi=
ndows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased with th=
e work that MS did.  However I did do a survey afterwards about how many peop=
le would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said they wo=
uld try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me feel a =
bit sad.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>=20
Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind Associatio=
n discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out there, and that p=
eople contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is heard.  This=
 is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, after a few hours and a=
 fair number of cigarettes.

Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this.  As =
I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect chang=
e the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important that we contac=
t them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and accompanyi=
ng comments.

Barry.

-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directl=
y.

Best

Billy L. Irwin - K9OH

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodg=
sonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

Hi,

I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.=20
While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessib=
ility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins =
than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install=
 Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial thing. it is a matter=
 of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. The=
re aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  that can change the=
 careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people.


Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it =
harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doe=
sn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.


On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me a=
 couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> Thanks for highlighting this.
>=20
> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was ver=
y wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wedn=
esday.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>=20
> All,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podca=
st is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of=
 negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows=
. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an e=
xcellent job in highlighting the errors.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
> ott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>=20
>=20
>=20
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From ultimatethesecond@googlemail.com Tue Jan 15 10:09:55 2019
From: Chris Turner <ultimatethesecond@googlemail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:57:43 +0000
Message-ID: <03a9d122-bbd0-a4b3-fe3e-77634018ce0f@gmail.com>
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I'll download and listen but just reaction to the quote


No offence to people who cant see or who see poorly and who want to set=20
up Windows 10 on their own but if your vision is that bad the act of=20
setting up Windows 10 is not a priority. In the background, Leo laughs.=20
Paul continues: It=E2=80=99s something that is going happen once and you=20
probably have someone else that can help you with that.


Never mind that IT is a field a lot of tech savy VI people are drawn to=20
as there's a significant opportunity for self learning and=20
resourcefulness that comes with the teratry. Being able to install Win10=20
as a blind person has been a great improvement for me. This is such a=20
dum argument. Why improve anything for anyone when they've always been=20
able to do it the long way round, presumably. Yeah, we all have people=20
we can rely on to help, when they're available, maybe. I mean it's not=20
like your productivity counts or anything if you're blind.


Better listen to it for context now I spose.

:)


Regards


Chris Turner



On 13/01/19 23:26, mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com wrote:
> All,
>
>  =20
>
> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large
> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired
> in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below
> podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>
>  =20
>
> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is
> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>
>  =20
>
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From barry@tonermail.co.uk Tue Jan 15 10:32:14 2019
From: Barry Toner <barry@tonermail.co.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 10:31:57 +0000
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Hi,

For completeness.  Securing/encrypting my powerline adaptor has now popped me=
 back onto my own network.

I never knew this was possible.  It's frightening just how insecure by defaul=
t powerline adaptors are and that I was able to see my neighbors router web a=
dmin, just by popping in powerline adaptors.
Of course it makes theoretical sense, given the buildings are joined that I w=
ould be sharing the same powerlines...  If I was a malicious user I could hav=
e very easily reset their router, changed the WIFI password and locked them o=
ut, all be it until they called their ISP and reset the router but then I cou=
ld jump back on and essentially get free Internet....
FYI my powerline adaptor was just a basic TP Link 4220 KIT and the neighbors =
router was a Sky HUB.  Plugging the adaptors in, and finding out the gateway =
I was connected to, then popping that into the browser and I was logged into =
their routers web admin without being challenged to authenticate...


Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:05 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Hi,

It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network.  Probably=
 due to the properties being connected.  A bit of googling has told me that I=
 should be able to get back onto my own network by encrypting/securing my pow=
erline adaptors.

Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk(a)gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administ=
ration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wire=
less/professional, both/all bands)?

Bill
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Yes this is creepy.  I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is.  =
There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names...
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Barry.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.
>=20
> So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my pow=
erline adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.=
0.1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.1=
68.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asu=
s router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
> Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HU=
B!  I don't have Sky!
> I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other apart=
ment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird and how ca=
n I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was using this powerl=
ine adaptor two days aago and I could access my network!
>=20
> Thanks all,
> Barry.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router =
is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adapt=
or....
>=20
> Thanks for any help.
>=20
> Barry
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue
>=20
> Hi all,
>=20
> I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.=
  I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
> When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powe=
rline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Pow=
erline adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect=
 the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected=
.  All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline a=
daptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and a=
pparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather=
 how is it being addressed?
>=20
> At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but tha=
t doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline ad=
aptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly f=
rom the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6. =20
>=20
> Hope this makes sense?
>=20
> Cheers,
> Barry.
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From andrew@hodgson.io Tue Jan 15 11:51:33 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:50:52 +0000
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Hi,

There is a misconception that these powerlines need a direct electric hookup =
between the systems in order for them to connect.  They use the electric wiri=
ng as aerials and so it is perfectly possible for them to see each other even=
 though you are on a different ring.

I had a story about this a year or so back.  I had taken a load of powerlines=
 from my parents to try and sort out a network issue I had at my flat as it h=
as thick walls, they had a load from when I lived there and they weren't usin=
g them.  I plugged them in and reset them to default, and as part of this pro=
cess I thought I was seeing my own network.  I had existing powerlines which =
were encrypted.  The software I was using prompted me that the powerlines nee=
ded a firmware upgrade so I went ahead with this.  It took a fairly long time=
 to complete which I was surprised about, and as part of the upgrade it said =
it was upgrading a wireless access point which I didn't have.  The usability =
of the software wasn't good anyway, so I was fiddling around a bit.  When the=
 upgrades completed I attempted to get onto my router to identify DHCP leases=
 and found I was presented with a BT hub instead.  Yes I had connected to a n=
eighbour with similar powerlines and upgraded all their kit!

Andrew.

________________________________________
From: Barry Toner [barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
Sent: 15 January 2019 10:31
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Hi,

For completeness.  Securing/encrypting my powerline adaptor has now popped me=
 back onto my own network.

I never knew this was possible.  It's frightening just how insecure by defaul=
t powerline adaptors are and that I was able to see my neighbors router web a=
dmin, just by popping in powerline adaptors.
Of course it makes theoretical sense, given the buildings are joined that I w=
ould be sharing the same powerlines...  If I was a malicious user I could hav=
e very easily reset their router, changed the WIFI password and locked them o=
ut, all be it until they called their ISP and reset the router but then I cou=
ld jump back on and essentially get free Internet....
FYI my powerline adaptor was just a basic TP Link 4220 KIT and the neighbors =
router was a Sky HUB.  Plugging the adaptors in, and finding out the gateway =
I was connected to, then popping that into the browser and I was logged into =
their routers web admin without being challenged to authenticate...


Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:05 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Hi,

It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network.  Probably=
 due to the properties being connected.  A bit of googling has told me that I=
 should be able to get back onto my own network by encrypting/securing my pow=
erline adaptors.

Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk(a)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue

Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administ=
ration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wire=
less/professional, both/all bands)?

Bill
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes this is creepy.  I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is.  =
There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names...
>
>
>
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.
>
> So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my pow=
erline adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.=
0.1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.1=
68.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asu=
s router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
> Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HU=
B!  I don't have Sky!
> I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other apart=
ment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird and how ca=
n I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was using this powerl=
ine adaptor two days aago and I could access my network!
>
> Thanks all,
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>
> Hi,
>
> To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router =
is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adapt=
or....
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1.=
  I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
> When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powe=
rline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Pow=
erline adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I disconnect=
 the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected=
.  All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline a=
daptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and a=
pparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather=
 how is it being addressed?
>
> At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but tha=
t doesn=E2=80=99t make sense as I haven=E2=80=99t configured the Powerline ad=
aptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly f=
rom the router and not the Powerline adaptor=E2=80=A6.
>
> Hope this makes sense?
>
> Cheers,
> Barry.
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From ben@benmr.com Tue Jan 15 12:36:07 2019
From: Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:35:33 +0000
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Haha that's taking the whole friendly neighbourhood IT guy type thing
a little bit too far do you not think Andrew? You should have invoiced
them for the work you carried out. At least they would have known that
said work had taken place that way.

On 1/15/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There is a misconception that these powerlines need a direct electric hookup
> between the systems in order for them to connect.  They use the electric
> wiring as aerials and so it is perfectly possible for them to see each other
> even though you are on a different ring.
>
> I had a story about this a year or so back.  I had taken a load of
> powerlines from my parents to try and sort out a network issue I had at my
> flat as it has thick walls, they had a load from when I lived there and they
> weren't using them.  I plugged them in and reset them to default, and as
> part of this process I thought I was seeing my own network.  I had existing
> powerlines which were encrypted.  The software I was using prompted me that
> the powerlines needed a firmware upgrade so I went ahead with this.  It took
> a fairly long time to complete which I was surprised about, and as part of
> the upgrade it said it was upgrading a wireless access point which I didn't
> have.  The usability of the software wasn't good anyway, so I was fiddling
> around a bit.  When the upgrades completed I attempted to get onto my router
> to identify DHCP leases and found I was presented with a BT hub instead.
> Yes I had connected to a neighbour with similar powerlines and upgraded all
> their kit!
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Barry Toner [barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
> Sent: 15 January 2019 10:31
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>
> Hi,
>
> For completeness.  Securing/encrypting my powerline adaptor has now popped
> me back onto my own network.
>
> I never knew this was possible.  It's frightening just how insecure by
> default powerline adaptors are and that I was able to see my neighbors
> router web admin, just by popping in powerline adaptors.
> Of course it makes theoretical sense, given the buildings are joined that I
> would be sharing the same powerlines...  If I was a malicious user I could
> have very easily reset their router, changed the WIFI password and locked
> them out, all be it until they called their ISP and reset the router but
> then I could jump back on and essentially get free Internet....
> FYI my powerline adaptor was just a basic TP Link 4220 KIT and the neighbors
> router was a Sky HUB.  Plugging the adaptors in, and finding out the gateway
> I was connected to, then popping that into the browser and I was logged into
> their routers web admin without being challenged to authenticate...
>
>
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:05 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>
> Hi,
>
> It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network.
> Probably due to the properties being connected.  A bit of googling has told
> me that I should be able to get back onto my own network by
> encrypting/securing my powerline adaptors.
>
> Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>
> Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under
> administration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless
> radios (wireless/professional, both/all bands)?
>
> Bill
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes this is creepy.  I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is.
>> There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples
>> names...
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.
>>
>> So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my
>> powerline adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is
>> 192.168.0.1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to
>> browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web
>> admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
>> Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky
>> HUB!  I don't have Sky!
>> I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other
>> apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird
>> and how can I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was
>> using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network!
>>
>> Thanks all,
>> Barry.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router
>> is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline
>> adaptor....
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of
>> 192.168.1.1.  I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
>> When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the
>> Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at
>> the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if I
>> disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the
>> router as expected.  All network services are working as normal with or
>> without the Powerline adaptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline
>> adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is
>> the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed?
>>
>> At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but
>> that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors
>> WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from
>> the router and not the Powerline adaptor….
>>
>> Hope this makes sense?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Barry.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From ben@benmr.com Tue Jan 15 12:52:06 2019
From: Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:51:26 +0000
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Hi again

Just to add something semi-constructive, it's important to do local
speed testing when using Powerline adaptors, partly because some
companies appear to be faking the connection speed (I previously used
Sumvision adaptors that showed as connecting at 1Gbps but actually
only supported Homeplug 1.0 at 85Mbps) and partly because throughput
decreases depending on range, how the adaptors are connected, other
devices that are plugged in and if both adaptors are on the same
circuit. I've had good results with the Windows port of Iperf3 to do
this recently & the process of optimizing everything to get the best
speeds possible was actually quite fun although largely redundant as
the internet connection of the network in question was only DSL.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/15/19, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben(a)benmr.com> wrote:
> Haha that's taking the whole friendly neighbourhood IT guy type thing
> a little bit too far do you not think Andrew? You should have invoiced
> them for the work you carried out. At least they would have known that
> said work had taken place that way.
>
> On 1/15/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is a misconception that these powerlines need a direct electric
>> hookup
>> between the systems in order for them to connect.  They use the electric
>> wiring as aerials and so it is perfectly possible for them to see each
>> other
>> even though you are on a different ring.
>>
>> I had a story about this a year or so back.  I had taken a load of
>> powerlines from my parents to try and sort out a network issue I had at
>> my
>> flat as it has thick walls, they had a load from when I lived there and
>> they
>> weren't using them.  I plugged them in and reset them to default, and as
>> part of this process I thought I was seeing my own network.  I had
>> existing
>> powerlines which were encrypted.  The software I was using prompted me
>> that
>> the powerlines needed a firmware upgrade so I went ahead with this.  It
>> took
>> a fairly long time to complete which I was surprised about, and as part
>> of
>> the upgrade it said it was upgrading a wireless access point which I
>> didn't
>> have.  The usability of the software wasn't good anyway, so I was
>> fiddling
>> around a bit.  When the upgrades completed I attempted to get onto my
>> router
>> to identify DHCP leases and found I was presented with a BT hub instead.
>> Yes I had connected to a neighbour with similar powerlines and upgraded
>> all
>> their kit!
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Barry Toner [barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>> Sent: 15 January 2019 10:31
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For completeness.  Securing/encrypting my powerline adaptor has now
>> popped
>> me back onto my own network.
>>
>> I never knew this was possible.  It's frightening just how insecure by
>> default powerline adaptors are and that I was able to see my neighbors
>> router web admin, just by popping in powerline adaptors.
>> Of course it makes theoretical sense, given the buildings are joined that
>> I
>> would be sharing the same powerlines...  If I was a malicious user I
>> could
>> have very easily reset their router, changed the WIFI password and locked
>> them out, all be it until they called their ISP and reset the router but
>> then I could jump back on and essentially get free Internet....
>> FYI my powerline adaptor was just a basic TP Link 4220 KIT and the
>> neighbors
>> router was a Sky HUB.  Plugging the adaptors in, and finding out the
>> gateway
>> I was connected to, then popping that into the browser and I was logged
>> into
>> their routers web admin without being challenged to authenticate...
>>
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:05 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network.
>> Probably due to the properties being connected.  A bit of googling has
>> told
>> me that I should be able to get back onto my own network by
>> encrypting/securing my powerline adaptors.
>>
>> Barry
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk(a)gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>>
>> Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under
>> administration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless
>> radios (wireless/professional, both/all bands)?
>>
>> Bill
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes this is creepy.  I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis
>>> is.
>>> There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples
>>> names...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Barry.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them.
>>>
>>> So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my
>>> powerline adaptor.  Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is
>>> 192.168.0.1.  From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to
>>> browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web
>>> admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from.
>>> Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky
>>> HUB!  I don't have Sky!
>>> I am in an apartment.  Is it possible that my apartment and the other
>>> apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening?  If so, weird
>>> and how can I get off this network and just onto my own?  Also, I was
>>> using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my
>>> network!
>>>
>>> Thanks all,
>>> Barry.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> To add to this.  I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the
>>> router
>>> is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline
>>> adaptor....
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry(a)tonermail.co.uk]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of
>>> 192.168.1.1.  I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link.
>>> When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the
>>> Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up
>>> at
>>> the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address.  However, if
>>> I
>>> disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the
>>> router as expected.  All network services are working as normal with or
>>> without the Powerline adaptor.  What is happening and when the Powerline
>>> adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where
>>> is
>>> the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed?
>>>
>>> At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but
>>> that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors
>>> WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly
>>> from
>>> the router and not the Powerline adaptor….
>>>
>>> Hope this makes sense?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Barry.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's
blind and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little
wifi" spiel insulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after
some period of time, or if I don't want to wait just enable it with
control+alt+win like normal.

On 1/15/19, Darragh Ó Héiligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
> Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets
> @Thurrott with the following:
>
> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> You could write a message like this:
>
> Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to administer
> thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader.
> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and NVAccess,
> Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible.
> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins
> @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.  I really want the messages
> relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's mind while
> they sit down to present tomorrow's show.
>
> Feel free to ask people to retweet.
>
>
> I agree that The OOB experience could be better.
> And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, the
> points I was making weren't related to the OOB.  Certain people who disagree
> with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with frustrations
> around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. Not the
> way he attacked the OOB.
>
> I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are
> misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes
> intentionally on some other forums.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many
> podcasts so had to make a bit of time.
>
> I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking
> about but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what the end
> decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they
> implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I
> know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it.  Also if you try and use
> it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think it needs
> addressing.  However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made
> were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's
> misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a
> computer.
>
> I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but
> I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving
> the minimum of noise.
>
> If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing
> Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased with
> the work that MS did.  However I did do a survey afterwards about how many
> people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said
> they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me
> feel a bit sad.
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> Hi,
>
> I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind
> Association discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out there,
> and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is
> heard.  This is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, after a
> few hours and a fair number of cigarettes.
>
> Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this.  As
> I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect
> change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important that we
> contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and
> accompanying comments.
>
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo
> directly.
>
> Best
>
> Billy L. Irwin - K9OH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
> To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> Hi,
>
> I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.
>
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
> To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.
> While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,
> accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind
> sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help
> you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial thing. it
> is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do
> or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  that
> can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of
> people.
>
>
> Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it
> harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug
> doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.
>
>
> On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me
>> a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>>
>> Andrew.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
>> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Thanks for highlighting this.
>>
>> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was
>> very wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him
>> on Wednesday.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
>> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large
>> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision
>> impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the
>> below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
>> ott-is
>> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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>> To unsubscribe send an email to
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>>
> _______________________________________________
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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 16 16:16:00 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:15:33 +0100
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Hi,

I set up a bunch of win 10 machines.
no issues.
fortunately no cortana involved.
In a office environment you can't have such a thing anyway.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 16.01.2019 um 16:13 schrieb Jared Stofflett:
> I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's
> blind and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little
> wifi" spiel insulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after
> some period of time, or if I don't want to wait just enable it with
> control+alt+win like normal.
>=20
> On 1/15/19, Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
>> Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets
>> @Thurrott with the following:
>>
>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> You could write a message like this:
>>
>> Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to administer
>> thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader.
>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and NVAcces=
s,
>> Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible.
>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins
>> @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.  I really want the messages
>> relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's mind whi=
le
>> they sit down to present tomorrow's show.
>>
>> Feel free to ask people to retweet.
>>
>>
>> I agree that The OOB experience could be better.
>> And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, the
>> points I was making weren't related to the OOB.  Certain people who disagr=
ee
>> with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with frustratio=
ns
>> around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. Not the
>> way he attacked the OOB.
>>
>> I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are
>> misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes
>> intentionally on some other forums.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many
>> podcasts so had to make a bit of time.
>>
>> I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking
>> about but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what the end
>> decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they
>> implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I
>> know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it.  Also if you try and u=
se
>> it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think it nee=
ds
>> addressing.  However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made
>> were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's
>> misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a
>> computer.
>>
>> I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but
>> I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving
>> the minimum of noise.
>>
>> If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing
>> Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased wi=
th
>> the work that MS did.  However I did do a survey afterwards about how many
>> people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said
>> they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make =
me
>> feel a bit sad.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind
>> Association discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out ther=
e,
>> and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is
>> heard.  This is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, after a
>> few hours and a fair number of cigarettes.
>>
>> Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this.  =
As
>> I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect
>> change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important that we
>> contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and
>> accompanying comments.
>>
>> Barry.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]
>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo
>> directly.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Billy L. Irwin - K9OH
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
>> To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list
>> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.
>> While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,
>> accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind
>> sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to he=
lp
>> you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial thing. =
it
>> is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to =
do
>> or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  that
>> can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of
>> people.
>>
>>
>> Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make =
it
>> harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug
>> doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me
>>> a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>>>
>>> Andrew.
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>>
>>> Thanks for highlighting this.
>>>
>>> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was
>>> very wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him
>>> on Wednesday.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
>>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
>>> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large
>>> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision
>>> impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the
>>> below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
>>> ott-is
>>> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe send an email to
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From jheim@math.wisc.edu Wed Jan 16 16:35:49 2019
From: John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:35:29 -0600
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You are a blind sys admin and you don't have a problem with the guy=20
saying blind people should just get help when they need to install Windows?


On 1/16/19 9:13 AM, Jared Stofflett wrote:
> I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's
> blind and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little
> wifi" spiel insulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after
> some period of time, or if I don't want to wait just enable it with
> control+alt+win like normal.
>=20
> On 1/15/19, Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
>> Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets
>> @Thurrott with the following:
>>
>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> You could write a message like this:
>>
>> Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to administer
>> thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader.
>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and NVAcces=
s,
>> Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible.
>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins
>> @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>
>> Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.  I really want the messages
>> relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's mind whi=
le
>> they sit down to present tomorrow's show.
>>
>> Feel free to ask people to retweet.
>>
>>
>> I agree that The OOB experience could be better.
>> And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, the
>> points I was making weren't related to the OOB.  Certain people who disagr=
ee
>> with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with frustratio=
ns
>> around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. Not the
>> way he attacked the OOB.
>>
>> I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are
>> misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes
>> intentionally on some other forums.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many
>> podcasts so had to make a bit of time.
>>
>> I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking
>> about but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what the end
>> decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they
>> implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I
>> know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it.  Also if you try and u=
se
>> it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think it nee=
ds
>> addressing.  However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made
>> were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's
>> misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a
>> computer.
>>
>> I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but
>> I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving
>> the minimum of noise.
>>
>> If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing
>> Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased wi=
th
>> the work that MS did.  However I did do a survey afterwards about how many
>> people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said
>> they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make =
me
>> feel a bit sad.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind
>> Association discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out ther=
e,
>> and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is
>> heard.  This is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, after a
>> few hours and a fair number of cigarettes.
>>
>> Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this.  =
As
>> I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect
>> change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important that we
>> contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and
>> accompanying comments.
>>
>> Barry.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]
>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo
>> directly.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Billy L. Irwin - K9OH
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
>> To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list
>> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.
>> While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,
>> accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind
>> sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to he=
lp
>> you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial thing. =
it
>> is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to =
do
>> or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  that
>> can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of
>> people.
>>
>>
>> Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make =
it
>> harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug
>> doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded to me
>>> a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>>>
>>> Andrew.
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>>
>>> Thanks for highlighting this.
>>>
>>> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was
>>> very wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct him
>>> on Wednesday.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
>>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
>>> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large
>>> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision
>>> impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the
>>> below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
>>> ott-is
>>> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
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>>>
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>> To unsubscribe send an email to
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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 16 16:44:25 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:44:03 +0100
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I remember another story where Leo and the team had the same incident 
but with another subject.
i have the feeling those people have something against accessibility and 
disabled people in general.


Am 16.01.2019 um 17:35 schrieb John G Heim:
> You are a blind sys admin and you don't have a problem with the guy 
> saying blind people should just get help when they need to install Windows?
> 
> 
> On 1/16/19 9:13 AM, Jared Stofflett wrote:
>> I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's
>> blind and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little
>> wifi" spiel insulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after
>> some period of time, or if I don't want to wait just enable it with
>> control+alt+win like normal.
>>
>> On 1/15/19, Darragh Ó Héiligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets
>>> @Thurrott with the following:
>>>
>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>
>>> You could write a message like this:
>>>
>>> Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to 
>>> administer
>>> thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>
>>> Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader.
>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>
>>> Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and 
>>> NVAccess,
>>> Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>
>>> I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible.
>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>
>>> I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins
>>> @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>
>>> Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.  I really want the 
>>> messages
>>> relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's 
>>> mind while
>>> they sit down to present tomorrow's show.
>>>
>>> Feel free to ask people to retweet.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that The OOB experience could be better.
>>> And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, 
>>> the
>>> points I was making weren't related to the OOB.  Certain people who 
>>> disagree
>>> with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with 
>>> frustrations
>>> around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. 
>>> Not the
>>> way he attacked the OOB.
>>>
>>> I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are
>>> misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes
>>> intentionally on some other forums.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>>> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a 
>>> win.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many
>>> podcasts so had to make a bit of time.
>>>
>>> I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were 
>>> talking
>>> about but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what the end
>>> decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they
>>> implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I
>>> know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it.  Also if you try 
>>> and use
>>> it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think 
>>> it needs
>>> addressing.  However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made
>>> were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's
>>> misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going 
>>> forward, but
>>> I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only 
>>> giving
>>> the minimum of noise.
>>>
>>> If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on 
>>> installing
>>> Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely 
>>> pleased with
>>> the work that MS did.  However I did do a survey afterwards about how 
>>> many
>>> people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 
>>> said
>>> they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did 
>>> make me
>>> feel a bit sad.
>>>
>>> Andrew.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a 
>>> win.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind
>>> Association discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out 
>>> there,
>>> and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our 
>>> voice is
>>> heard.  This is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, 
>>> after a
>>> few hours and a fair number of cigarettes.
>>>
>>> Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing 
>>> this.  As
>>> I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect
>>> change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important 
>>> that we
>>> contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and
>>> accompanying comments.
>>>
>>> Barry.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a 
>>> win.
>>>
>>> I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo
>>> directly.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Billy L. Irwin - K9OH
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
>>> To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list
>>> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a 
>>> win.
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a 
>>> win.
>>>
>>> I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.
>>> While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,
>>> accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more 
>>> blind
>>> sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over 
>>> to help
>>> you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial 
>>> thing. it
>>> is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were 
>>> hired to do
>>> or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows  
>>> that
>>> can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole 
>>> class of
>>> people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't 
>>> make it
>>> harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical 
>>> bug
>>> doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded 
>>>> to me
>>>> a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew.
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
>>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a 
>>>> win.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for highlighting this.
>>>>
>>>> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was
>>>> very wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct 
>>>> him
>>>> on Wednesday.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
>>>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
>>>> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a 
>>>> large
>>>> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision
>>>> impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of 
>>>> the
>>>> below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
>>>> ott-is
>>>> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From stofflet@gmail.com Wed Jan 16 18:08:39 2019
From: Jared Stofflett <stofflet@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:08:21 -0500
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Given his experience with accessibility I have no issue with him
saying blind people should get sited help installing Windows. Kortana
does not come up talking about narrator, it comes up with a demeaning
your to dumb to set up a computer on your own so I'm going to hold
your hand and walk you through everything spiel. Because of this he
would have no way of knowing that Narrator is a good screen reader and
that it can be used to do Windows setup. I'd have a bigger issue if
Microsoft had actually done a compitant job with first run and install
accessibility such as Apple. There's no reason your computer should
start shouting at you with a dumb personality. If the implimentation
was that Narrator started speaking five minutes after install started
assuming there was no user action up to that point and the hosts were
complaining about that then I would be willing to consider that they
were against accessibility. Currently there just against crappy
accessibility implimentations that make Windows less usable for the
vast majority of users including me.

On 1/16/19, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at> wrote:
> I remember another story where Leo and the team had the same incident
> but with another subject.
> i have the feeling those people have something against accessibility and
> disabled people in general.
>
>
> Am 16.01.2019 um 17:35 schrieb John G Heim:
>> You are a blind sys admin and you don't have a problem with the guy
>> saying blind people should just get help when they need to install
>> Windows?
>>
>>
>> On 1/16/19 9:13 AM, Jared Stofflett wrote:
>>> I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's
>>> blind and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little
>>> wifi" spiel insulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after
>>> some period of time, or if I don't want to wait just enable it with
>>> control+alt+win like normal.
>>>
>>> On 1/15/19, Darragh Ó Héiligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone
>>>> tweets
>>>> @Thurrott with the following:
>>>>
>>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>
>>>> You could write a message like this:
>>>>
>>>> Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to
>>>> administer
>>>> thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>>>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>
>>>> Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader.
>>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>
>>>> Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and
>>>> NVAccess,
>>>> Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT
>>>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>
>>>> I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible.
>>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>
>>>> I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins
>>>> @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>
>>>> Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.  I really want the
>>>> messages
>>>> relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's
>>>> mind while
>>>> they sit down to present tomorrow's show.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to ask people to retweet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree that The OOB experience could be better.
>>>> And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others,
>>>> the
>>>> points I was making weren't related to the OOB.  Certain people who
>>>> disagree
>>>> with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with
>>>> frustrations
>>>> around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility.
>>>> Not the
>>>> way he attacked the OOB.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are
>>>> misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes
>>>> intentionally on some other forums.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>>>> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>> win.
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many
>>>> podcasts so had to make a bit of time.
>>>>
>>>> I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were
>>>> talking
>>>> about but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what the end
>>>> decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they
>>>> implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else
>>>> I
>>>> know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it.  Also if you try
>>>> and use
>>>> it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think
>>>> it needs
>>>> addressing.  However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments
>>>> made
>>>> were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's
>>>> misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a
>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going
>>>> forward, but
>>>> I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only
>>>> giving
>>>> the minimum of noise.
>>>>
>>>> If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on
>>>> installing
>>>> Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely
>>>> pleased with
>>>> the work that MS did.  However I did do a survey afterwards about how
>>>> many
>>>> people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2
>>>> said
>>>> they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did
>>>> make me
>>>> feel a bit sad.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>> win.
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind
>>>> Association discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out
>>>> there,
>>>> and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our
>>>> voice is
>>>> heard.  This is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down,
>>>> after a
>>>> few hours and a fair number of cigarettes.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing
>>>> this.  As
>>>> I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect
>>>> change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.  It's important
>>>> that we
>>>> contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG
>>>> and
>>>> accompanying comments.
>>>>
>>>> Barry.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>> win.
>>>>
>>>> I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo
>>>> directly.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Billy L. Irwin - K9OH
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
>>>> To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list
>>>> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>> win.
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.
>>>>
>>>> Barry
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>> win.
>>>>
>>>> I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.
>>>> While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,
>>>> accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more
>>>> blind
>>>> sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over
>>>> to help
>>>> you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not a trivial
>>>> thing. it
>>>> is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were
>>>> hired to do
>>>> or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows
>>>> that
>>>> can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole
>>>> class of
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't
>>>> make it
>>>> harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical
>>>> bug
>>>> doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job
>>>> market.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded
>>>>> to me
>>>>> a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew.
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
>>>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
>>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>>> win.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for highlighting this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott
>>>>> was
>>>>> very wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will correct
>>>>> him
>>>>> on Wednesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
>>>>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
>>>>> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a
>>>>> large
>>>>> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision
>>>>> impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of
>>>>> the
>>>>> below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
>>>>> ott-is
>>>>> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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From stofflet@gmail.com Wed Jan 16 18:40:01 2019
From: Jared Stofflett <stofflet@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Examples of unattended Windows server 2019
 installations with SSH enabled?
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:39:47 -0500
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Does anyone have examples of automated installs of Windows Server 2019
that have SSH enabled when the install is completed? I'd like to build
some 2019 VM's using Packer and it would be a lot easier to access
them over SSH then dealing with winrm since they will not be joined to
a domain.

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From thergert@vision-forward.org Wed Jan 16 19:36:31 2019
From: Troy Hergert <thergert@vision-forward.org>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] IOS app for managing active directory
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:36:10 +0000
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Hi all,

Apologies if this get's through twice.  I never saw my first attempt get thro=
ugh.

I was looking into the IOS app called Active Directory Assist.  Does anyone h=
ave any experience managing AD from an IOS app.  I tried the light version of=
 this app and find that it makes you search for AD objects and you must get t=
he name right.  I was hoping the pro version would actually list the objects =
in the domain and not make you search for them.  Basically I was hoping to fi=
nd an app that allowed me to do some basic AD tasks, like resetting passwords=
, unlocking accounts, adding people to groups etc.  Thought I'd check with yo=
u all before I spent the $20 on the pro version of the app.

Thanks.

Troy
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From jheim@math.wisc.edu Wed Jan 16 21:19:00 2019
From: John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:18:36 -0600
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Even if I grant that Kortana is annoying, what has that got to do with=20
the suggestion that a blind sys admin ought to get help doing his job? I=20
gotta say, if the guy had just said that Kortana is annoying, I doubt it=20
would have come up on this list.






On 1/16/19 12:08 PM, Jared Stofflett wrote:
> Given his experience with accessibility I have no issue with him
> saying blind people should get sited help installing Windows. Kortana
> does not come up talking about narrator, it comes up with a demeaning
> your to dumb to set up a computer on your own so I'm going to hold
> your hand and walk you through everything spiel. Because of this he
> would have no way of knowing that Narrator is a good screen reader and
> that it can be used to do Windows setup. I'd have a bigger issue if
> Microsoft had actually done a compitant job with first run and install
> accessibility such as Apple. There's no reason your computer should
> start shouting at you with a dumb personality. If the implimentation
> was that Narrator started speaking five minutes after install started
> assuming there was no user action up to that point and the hosts were
> complaining about that then I would be willing to consider that they
> were against accessibility. Currently there just against crappy
> accessibility implimentations that make Windows less usable for the
> vast majority of users including me.
>=20
> On 1/16/19, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at> wrote:
>> I remember another story where Leo and the team had the same incident
>> but with another subject.
>> i have the feeling those people have something against accessibility and
>> disabled people in general.
>>
>>
>> Am 16.01.2019 um 17:35 schrieb John G Heim:
>>> You are a blind sys admin and you don't have a problem with the guy
>>> saying blind people should just get help when they need to install
>>> Windows?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/16/19 9:13 AM, Jared Stofflett wrote:
>>>> I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's
>>>> blind and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little
>>>> wifi" spiel insulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after
>>>> some period of time, or if I don't want to wait just enable it with
>>>> control+alt+win like normal.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/15/19, Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone
>>>>> tweets
>>>>> @Thurrott with the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott=C2=A0 @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>>
>>>>> You could write a message like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to
>>>>> administer
>>>>> thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott=C2=A0 @TWiT
>>>>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>>
>>>>> Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader.
>>>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott=C2=A0 @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and
>>>>> NVAccess,
>>>>> Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott=C2=A0 @TWiT
>>>>> #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>>
>>>>> I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible.
>>>>> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott=C2=A0 @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins
>>>>> @Thurrott=C2=A0 @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.=C2=A0 I really want the
>>>>> messages
>>>>> relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's
>>>>> mind while
>>>>> they sit down to present tomorrow's show.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to ask people to retweet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that The OOB experience could be better.
>>>>> And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others,
>>>>> the
>>>>> points I was making weren't related to the OOB.=C2=A0 Certain people who
>>>>> disagree
>>>>> with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with
>>>>> frustrations
>>>>> around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility.
>>>>> Not the
>>>>> way he attacked the OOB.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are
>>>>> misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes
>>>>> intentionally on some other forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>>>>> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
>>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>>> win.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many
>>>>> podcasts so had to make a bit of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were
>>>>> talking
>>>>> about but we were talking about the OOBE.=C2=A0 I am not sure what the =
end
>>>>> decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they
>>>>> implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else
>>>>> I
>>>>> know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it.=C2=A0 Also if you t=
ry
>>>>> and use
>>>>> it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think
>>>>> it needs
>>>>> addressing.=C2=A0 However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments
>>>>> made
>>>>> were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's
>>>>> misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a
>>>>> computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going
>>>>> forward, but
>>>>> I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only
>>>>> giving
>>>>> the minimum of noise.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on
>>>>> installing
>>>>> Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely
>>>>> pleased with
>>>>> the work that MS did.=C2=A0 However I did do a survey afterwards about =
how
>>>>> many
>>>>> people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2
>>>>> said
>>>>> they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did
>>>>> make me
>>>>> feel a bit sad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>>>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
>>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>>> win.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind
>>>>> Association discussion list.=C2=A0 It is important that word is gotten =
out
>>>>> there,
>>>>> and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our
>>>>> voice is
>>>>> heard.=C2=A0 This is an utter disgrace.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I've just about cal=
med down,
>>>>> after a
>>>>> few hours and a fair number of cigarettes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing
>>>>> this.=C2=A0 As
>>>>> I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect
>>>>> change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this.=C2=A0 It's important
>>>>> that we
>>>>> contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG
>>>>> and
>>>>> accompanying comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
>>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>>> win.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo
>>>>> directly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy L. Irwin - K9OH
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
>>>>> To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list
>>>>> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>>> win.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.=C2=A0 I hope it went through OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
>>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>>> win.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.
>>>>> While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,
>>>>> accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more
>>>>> blind
>>>>> sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over
>>>>> to help
>>>>> you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,=C2=A0 is not a trivial
>>>>> thing. it
>>>>> is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were
>>>>> hired to do
>>>>> or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows
>>>>> that
>>>>> can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole
>>>>> class of
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't
>>>>> make it
>>>>> harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical
>>>>> bug
>>>>> doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job
>>>>> market.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?=C2=A0 He has respond=
ed
>>>>>> to me
>>>>>> a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew.
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
>>>>>> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
>>>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a
>>>>>> win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for highlighting this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> very wrong in what he was saying.=C2=A0 I'm hoping that they will corr=
ect
>>>>>> him
>>>>>> on Wednesday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
>>>>>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original
>>>>>> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a
>>>>>> large
>>>>>> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision
>>>>>> impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr
>>>>>> ott-is
>>>>>> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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>>>>>>
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From d@digitaldarragh.com Thu Jan 17 14:14:26 2019
From: Darragh =?utf-8?q?=C3=93_H=C3=A9iligh?= <d@digitaldarragh.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:14:09 +0000
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Jared,=20
You're missing the point.=20

I've explained this well on this list, on twitter, on mywebsite and on other =
podcasts. Everyone else has heard me but maybe you missed it.=20

My issues aren't relating to cartana, Narrator or any software.=20

I'm going to be very specific.  My problem is:=20
1.  Paul ranted. During that rant he intentionally conflated accessibility wi=
th Narrator. Knowing well that Narrator is not an accessibility related tool.=
=20
2.  While Paul was ranting, he uttered a few maddening opinions.  I quote: "A=
ccessibility is a brain dead mentality". And "If your blind or you have bad v=
ision, installing windows just isn't a priority and you probably have someone=
 that will help you do that". =20

These quotes are misleading, incorrect and damaging. =20

IN relation to Cartana, I don't care. It doesn't bother me.=20
What I care about is that narrator works when I call it.=20

But Paul didn't address this.=20

He was far more interested in having a rant. It didn't matter if that rant wa=
s accurate or not.=20


The same thing happens time and time again with Paul. He had a rant about Int=
el not getting below 10 nanometer and Qualcom getting to 7 nanometer.  Meanwh=
ile he must have known that the methods of measurements used differ between I=
ntel and Qualcom.  If Intel used the same measurement methods, they were actu=
ally first to the market with 7 nanometer prints. But this didn't fit with th=
e naritive of Paul's rant that day so it was conveniently not mentioned.=20

When it comes to nanometers, I don't care. It doesn't effect me.=20

But when it comes to the perceptions around how difficult accessibility may b=
e or may not be to implement, or the expectations around how independent a bl=
ind computer user or system administrator may be, then yes. I care a lot and =
these rants will be challenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jared Stofflett <stofflet(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: Wednesday 16 January 2019 15:14
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.

I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's blind =
and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little wifi" spiel i=
nsulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after some period of time,=
 or if I don't want to wait just enable it with
control+alt+win like normal.

On 1/15/19, Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
> Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone=20
> tweets @Thurrott with the following:
>
> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> You could write a message like this:
>
> Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to=20
> administer thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott =20
> @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader.
> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and=20
> NVAccess, Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott =20
> @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible.
> #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins=20
> @Thurrott  @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte
>
> Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday.  I really want the=20
> messages relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and=20
> Leo's mind while they sit down to present tomorrow's show.
>
> Feel free to ask people to retweet.
>
>
> I agree that The OOB experience could be better.
> And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others,=20
> the points I was making weren't related to the OOB.  Certain people=20
> who disagree with me are trying to conflate my points to associate=20
> them with frustrations around OOB but my issues are with how Paul=20
> attacked accessibility. Not the way he attacked the OOB.
>
> I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are=20
> misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes=20
> intentionally on some other forums.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many=20
> podcasts so had to make a bit of time.
>
> I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were=20
> talking about but we were talking about the OOBE.  I am not sure what=20
> the end decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way=20
> they implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone=20
> else I know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it.  Also if=20
> you try and use it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough=20
> time, so I think it needs addressing.  However the podcast was totally=20
> wrong and the comments made were at best misguided and at worse will=20
> only serve to clarify people's misguided opinion on what people with=20
> little or no sight can do on a computer.
>
> I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going=20
> forward, but I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence,=20
> and then only giving the minimum of noise.
>
> If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on=20
> installing Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was=20
> extremely pleased with the work that MS did.  However I did do a=20
> survey afterwards about how many people would try this on their own=20
> and in a room of 40 people only 2 said they would try it actively=20
> which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me feel a bit sad.
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> Hi,
>
> I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind=20
> Association discussion list.  It is important that word is gotten out=20
> there, and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our vo=
ice is
> heard.  This is an utter disgrace.   I've just about calmed down, after a
> few hours and a fair number of cigarettes.
>
> Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing=20
> this.  As I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand=20
> but to effect change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this. =20
> It's important that we contact them directly and that the powers that=20
> be see Darragh's BLOG and accompanying comments.
>
> Barry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin(a)outlook.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo=20
> directly.
>
> Best
>
> Billy L. Irwin - K9OH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM
> To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list=20
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> Hi,
>
> I've submitted a reply on your BLOG.  I hope it went through OK.
>
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim(a)math.wisc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM
> To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>
> I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years.
> While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them,=20
> accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more=20
> blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone=20
> over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested,  is not=20
> a trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform=20
> the job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks=20
> Microsoft can make to Windows  that can change the careers, and=20
> therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people.
>
>
> Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't=20
> make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A=20
> typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the jo=
b market.
>
>
> On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet?  He has responded=20
>> to me a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely.
>>
>> Andrew.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
>> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> Thanks for highlighting this.
>>
>> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott=20
>> was very wrong in what he was saying.  I'm hoping that they will=20
>> correct him on Wednesday.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26
>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original=20
>> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a=20
>> large number of negative statements against accessibility for the=20
>> vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The=20
>> host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thur
>> r
>> ott-is
>> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688
>>
>>
>>
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From ms98kasia@gmail.com Thu Jan 17 15:04:58 2019
From: Kathryn Jedynak <ms98kasia@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] fog imaging software
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:04:38 -0500
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Hello All:
Has anyone had experience with fog imaging software?  Is it accessible with
a screen reader?  Are all parts of it accessible?  Or is sccm more
accessible than the Fog software?
Regards,
Kathryn Jedynak

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From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Thu Jan 17 15:21:23 2019
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:21:02 +0000
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hi all,
i've a few questions.
is hyperv accessible with sound?
i.e the sound from with in the vm?
if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
how would you go about setting it up?
wanted to have a play around?
does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the
windows 10 iso's doo?
this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.

thanks,
Majid Hussain

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kind regards,
Majid Hussain

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From andrew@hodgson.io Thu Jan 17 15:56:14 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:56:02 +0000
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Hi,

I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.  However her=
e goes:

- HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP options to =
push sound through to the client;
- The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core instal=
lation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend not going down=
 this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you are on a domain netw=
ork.  Even then I don't really know what the purpose of this installation is =
because you would mostly get Windows Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV l=
icensing.

Andrew.

________________________________________
From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question

hi all,
i've a few questions.
is hyperv accessible with sound?
i.e the sound from with in the vm?
if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
how would you go about setting it up?
wanted to have a play around?
does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the
windows 10 iso's doo?
this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.

thanks,
Majid Hussain

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Majid Hussain
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 18 13:36:00 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:35:43 -0500
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Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could be
accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation and
configuration process accessible? I'm also using virtualization-based
security on the Windows side, and I'm running Windows Pro for Workstations
on the machine that I'm contemplating.

I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to float
the idea to understand the possibilities.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

Hi,

I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.  However
here goes:

- HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP options to
push sound through to the client;
- The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core
installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend not
going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you are on a
domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the purpose of this
installation is because you would mostly get Windows Enterprise and benefit
from the HyperV licensing.

Andrew.

________________________________________
From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question

hi all,
i've a few questions.
is hyperv accessible with sound?
i.e the sound from with in the vm?
if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
how would you go about setting it up?
wanted to have a play around?
does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the windows
10 iso's doo?
this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.

thanks,
Majid Hussain

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kind regards,
Majid Hussain
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From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Fri Jan 18 14:06:10 2019
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:05:59 +0000
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hi all,
I got in touch with someone who is in charge of hyper-v at Microsoft
to ask them to enable audio when running inside a vm.

pending if i get more news i'll let you know,
for reference, here s my contacts info via twitter.
@CraigWilhite
https://twitter.com/craigwilhite?lang=en
if you wanted to communicate.
hope this helps,
Majid Hussain

On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could be
> accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation and
> configuration process accessible? I'm also using virtualization-based
> security on the Windows side, and I'm running Windows Pro for Workstations
> on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>
> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to float
> the idea to understand the possibilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.  However
> here goes:
>
> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP options
> to
> push sound through to the client;
> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core
> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend not
> going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you are on a
> domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the purpose of this
> installation is because you would mostly get Windows Enterprise and benefit
> from the HyperV licensing.
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>
> hi all,
> i've a few questions.
> is hyperv accessible with sound?
> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
> how would you go about setting it up?
> wanted to have a play around?
> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the windows
> 10 iso's doo?
> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>
> thanks,
> Majid Hussain
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
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From KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com Fri Jan 18 14:10:56 2019
From: "Katherine M. Moss" <KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:10:45 +0000
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Hyper-V does have audio, but only after the machine is installed; works on bo=
th Windows and Linux, but in Linux's case, needs something like Pulse Audio, =
and not sure whether or not that would work with Speakup or others for termin=
al speech access from the local host. I'm going to test with SUSE through Hyp=
er-V, though, so I can let you guys know.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 9:06 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

hi all,
I got in touch with someone who is in charge of hyper-v at Microsoft to ask t=
hem to enable audio when running inside a vm.

pending if i get more news i'll let you know, for reference, here s my contac=
ts info via twitter.
@CraigWilhite
https://twitter.com/craigwilhite?lang=3Den
if you wanted to communicate.
hope this helps,
Majid Hussain

On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgs=
onfamily.org> wrote:
> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could=20
> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation=20
> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using=20
> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running=20
> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>
> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to=20
> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2. =20
> However here goes:
>
> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP=20
> options to push sound through to the client;
> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core=20
> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend=20
> not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you=20
> are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the=20
> purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get Windows=20
> Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>
> hi all,
> i've a few questions.
> is hyperv accessible with sound?
> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
> how would you go about setting it up?
> wanted to have a play around?
> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the=20
> windows
> 10 iso's doo?
> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>
> thanks,
> Majid Hussain
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to
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From andrew@hodgson.io Fri Jan 18 14:15:41 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:15:31 +0000
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Hi,

Thanks for that.  is that on the server or client editions of Windows and fro=
m what version?  i thought this may be available at some point but didn't fin=
d any info about it when I responded yesterday.

Andrew.

________________________________________
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonf=
amily.org]
Sent: 18 January 2019 14:10
To: Blind sysadmins list
Cc: Katherine M. Moss
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

Hyper-V does have audio, but only after the machine is installed; works on bo=
th Windows and Linux, but in Linux's case, needs something like Pulse Audio, =
and not sure whether or not that would work with Speakup or others for termin=
al speech access from the local host. I'm going to test with SUSE through Hyp=
er-V, though, so I can let you guys know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 9:06 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

hi all,
I got in touch with someone who is in charge of hyper-v at Microsoft to ask t=
hem to enable audio when running inside a vm.

pending if i get more news i'll let you know, for reference, here s my contac=
ts info via twitter.
@CraigWilhite
https://twitter.com/craigwilhite?lang=3Den
if you wanted to communicate.
hope this helps,
Majid Hussain

On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgs=
onfamily.org> wrote:
> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could
> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation
> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using
> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running
> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>
> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to
> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.
> However here goes:
>
> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP
> options to push sound through to the client;
> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core
> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend
> not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you
> are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the
> purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get Windows
> Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>
> hi all,
> i've a few questions.
> is hyperv accessible with sound?
> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
> how would you go about setting it up?
> wanted to have a play around?
> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the
> windows
> 10 iso's doo?
> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>
> thanks,
> Majid Hussain
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Fri Jan 18 14:58:29 2019
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:58:22 +0000
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 <CAKmxv4xV50q9VctMa3DkbwhSFGE92agcubRh8taisFRi6zrUPg@mail.gmail.com>
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hi there,
thanks for letting us know,
the reason i asked about hyper-v, was currently i'm unable to use
vmware workstation due to an error on there part unable to access
menues using the alt key on windows, hence me asking.
Majid

On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could be
> accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation and
> configuration process accessible? I'm also using virtualization-based
> security on the Windows side, and I'm running Windows Pro for Workstations
> on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>
> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to float
> the idea to understand the possibilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.  However
> here goes:
>
> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP options
> to
> push sound through to the client;
> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core
> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend not
> going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you are on a
> domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the purpose of this
> installation is because you would mostly get Windows Enterprise and benefit
> from the HyperV licensing.
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>
> hi all,
> i've a few questions.
> is hyperv accessible with sound?
> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
> how would you go about setting it up?
> wanted to have a play around?
> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the windows
> 10 iso's doo?
> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>
> thanks,
> Majid Hussain
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From Lance.Bell@gov.mb.ca Fri Jan 18 15:13:30 2019
From: "Bell, Lance (HSAL)" <Lance.Bell@gov.mb.ca>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:13:20 +0000
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Hi  Majid,=20

"Accessibility is a brain dead mentality". And "If your blind or you have bad=
 vision" , " you probably have someone that will help you do that". =20


Sarcastically speaking :)=20
Lance


-----Original Message-----
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: January-18-19 8:58 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

hi there,
thanks for letting us know,
the reason i asked about hyper-v, was currently i'm unable to use vmware work=
station due to an error on there part unable to access menues using the alt k=
ey on windows, hence me asking.
Majid

On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgs=
onfamily.org> wrote:
> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could=20
> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation=20
> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using=20
> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running=20
> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>
> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to=20
> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2. =20
> However here goes:
>
> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP=20
> options to push sound through to the client;
> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core=20
> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend=20
> not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you=20
> are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the=20
> purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get Windows=20
> Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>
> hi all,
> i've a few questions.
> is hyperv accessible with sound?
> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
> how would you go about setting it up?
> wanted to have a play around?
> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the=20
> windows
> 10 iso's doo?
> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>
> thanks,
> Majid Hussain
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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Majid Hussain
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From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Fri Jan 18 15:17:54 2019
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:17:46 +0000
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you are talking about one Paul Thurrott write?

On 18/01/2019, Bell, Lance (HSAL) <Lance.Bell(a)gov.mb.ca> wrote:
> Hi  Majid,
>
> "Accessibility is a brain dead mentality". And "If your blind or you have
> bad vision" , " you probably have someone that will help you do that".
>
>
> Sarcastically speaking :)
> Lance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: January-18-19 8:58 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> hi there,
> thanks for letting us know,
> the reason i asked about hyper-v, was currently i'm unable to use vmware
> workstation due to an error on there part unable to access menues using the
> alt key on windows, hence me asking.
> Majid
>
> On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
>> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could
>> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation
>> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using
>> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running
>> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>>
>> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to
>> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.
>> However here goes:
>>
>> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP
>> options to push sound through to the client;
>> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core
>> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend
>> not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you
>> are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the
>> purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get Windows
>> Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
>> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
>> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>>
>> hi all,
>> i've a few questions.
>> is hyperv accessible with sound?
>> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
>> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited
>> assistance?
>> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
>> how would you go about setting it up?
>> wanted to have a play around?
>> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the
>> windows
>> 10 iso's doo?
>> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
>> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Majid Hussain
>>
>> --
>> kind regards,
>> Majid Hussain
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
> _______________________________________________
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Majid Hussain

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From Lance.Bell@gov.mb.ca Fri Jan 18 15:26:10 2019
From: "Bell, Lance (HSAL)" <Lance.Bell@gov.mb.ca>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:26:01 +0000
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Absolutely,  comments like that have a distinct way of altering trends.  With=
 any hope the trend is for listeners to think more about accessibility and pu=
t more effort in rather than to actually think it is a brain dead mentality. =
But when chasing  Profits any extra development time comes off the bottom lin=
e.

-----Original Message-----
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: January-18-19 9:18 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

you are talking about one Paul Thurrott write?

On 18/01/2019, Bell, Lance (HSAL) <Lance.Bell(a)gov.mb.ca> wrote:
> Hi  Majid,
>
> "Accessibility is a brain dead mentality". And "If your blind or you=20
> have bad vision" , " you probably have someone that will help you do that".
>
>
> Sarcastically speaking :)
> Lance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: January-18-19 8:58 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> hi there,
> thanks for letting us know,
> the reason i asked about hyper-v, was currently i'm unable to use=20
> vmware workstation due to an error on there part unable to access=20
> menues using the alt key on windows, hence me asking.
> Majid
>
> On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins=20
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
>> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could=20
>> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation=20
>> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using=20
>> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running=20
>> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>>
>> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to=20
>> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.
>> However here goes:
>>
>> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP=20
>> options to push sound through to the client;
>> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows=20
>> Core installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly=20
>> recommend not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage=20
>> unless you are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know=20
>> what the purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get=20
>> Windows Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
>> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
>> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>>
>> hi all,
>> i've a few questions.
>> is hyperv accessible with sound?
>> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
>> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited=20
>> assistance?
>> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
>> how would you go about setting it up?
>> wanted to have a play around?
>> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the=20
>> windows
>> 10 iso's doo?
>> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
>> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Majid Hussain
>>
>> --
>> kind regards,
>> Majid Hussain
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>
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From kieran.little@northumberland.gov.uk Fri Jan 18 15:51:38 2019
From: "Kieran.Little" <kieran.little@northumberland.gov.uk>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Corporate enterprise AV solutions
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:51:29 +0000
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Hi all,
Currently we're using an older Sophos product for our antivirus which goes ou=
t of support in May.
Because of this, we've gone out to tender for a new solution.
I've played with the new online Sophos demo which seems mostly accessible (ou=
r current iteration uses a console app on a server).
I'm just wondering what people's experiences with these sorts of solutions ar=
e?
I've found that with our current Sophos the management console side is comple=
tely accessible, and I can accomplish everything I need to.
Obviously I haven't got a clew who is going to win the contract, but one of m=
y responsibilities will be implementing and managing whatever is chosen so I'=
m just curious.
Cheers,
Kieran.


Kieran Little
IT Apprentice (Solution Design Assurance)
Information Services
Northumberland County Council
County Hall
Morpeth
NE61 2EF
Service desk: 01670 627004
Direct: 01670 623699
Mobile: 07966325130
Email: kieran.little(a)northumberland.gov.uk
Website: www.northumberland.gov.uk


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From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 18 16:31:57 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:31:50 -0500
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If you're testing this combination, I would also suggest trying Fenrir - the
relatively new console-based screen reader for Linux implemented in Python.

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 9:11 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Katherine M. Moss <KMoss(a)WinterHillSolutions.com>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

Hyper-V does have audio, but only after the machine is installed; works on
both Windows and Linux, but in Linux's case, needs something like Pulse
Audio, and not sure whether or not that would work with Speakup or others
for terminal speech access from the local host. I'm going to test with SUSE
through Hyper-V, though, so I can let you guys know. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 9:06 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

hi all,
I got in touch with someone who is in charge of hyper-v at Microsoft to ask
them to enable audio when running inside a vm.

pending if i get more news i'll let you know, for reference, here s my
contacts info via twitter.
@CraigWilhite
https://twitter.com/craigwilhite?lang=en
if you wanted to communicate.
hope this helps,
Majid Hussain

On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could 
> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation 
> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using 
> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running 
> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>
> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to 
> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.  
> However here goes:
>
> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP 
> options to push sound through to the client;
> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core 
> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend 
> not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you 
> are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the 
> purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get Windows 
> Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>
> hi all,
> i've a few questions.
> is hyperv accessible with sound?
> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
> how would you go about setting it up?
> wanted to have a play around?
> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the 
> windows
> 10 iso's doo?
> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>
> thanks,
> Majid Hussain
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
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From andrew@hodgson.io Fri Jan 18 18:18:37 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Corporate enterprise AV solutions
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:18:24 +0000
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Hi,

I have experience with mainly Sophos (both on the old server product and the =
cloud manager).  I didn't realise they were discontinuing the server product =
altogether.  The cloud manager is usable with speech and has a good API to.

At work we have switched to a corporate version of Windows Defender from Syma=
ntec.

Andrew.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Kieran.Little via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamil=
y.org>=20
Sent: 18 January 2019 15:51
To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Cc: Kieran.Little <kieran.little(a)northumberland.gov.uk>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Corporate enterprise AV solutions

Hi all,
Currently we're using an older Sophos product for our antivirus which goes ou=
t of support in May.
Because of this, we've gone out to tender for a new solution.
I've played with the new online Sophos demo which seems mostly accessible (ou=
r current iteration uses a console app on a server).
I'm just wondering what people's experiences with these sorts of solutions ar=
e?
I've found that with our current Sophos the management console side is comple=
tely accessible, and I can accomplish everything I need to.
Obviously I haven't got a clew who is going to win the contract, but one of m=
y responsibilities will be implementing and managing whatever is chosen so I'=
m just curious.
Cheers,
Kieran.


Kieran Little
IT Apprentice (Solution Design Assurance) Information Services Northumberland=
 County Council County Hall Morpeth
NE61 2EF
Service desk: 01670 627004
Direct: 01670 623699
Mobile: 07966325130
Email: kieran.little(a)northumberland.gov.uk
Website: www.northumberland.gov.uk


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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Fri Jan 18 18:20:57 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Corporate enterprise AV solutions
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:20:45 +0100
Message-ID: <c6ef1f1b-aa6c-309a-c63d-33cfd620baf4@vol.at>
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Hi,

We are using TrendMicro OfficeScan at the moment.
The client is mostly accessible though you have to do some workarounds.
The management console running on the server using a web interface isn't.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 18.01.2019 um 16:51 schrieb Kieran.Little via Blind-sysadmins:
> Hi all,
> Currently we're using an older Sophos product for our antivirus which goes =
out of support in May.
> Because of this, we've gone out to tender for a new solution.
> I've played with the new online Sophos demo which seems mostly accessible (=
our current iteration uses a console app on a server).
> I'm just wondering what people's experiences with these sorts of solutions =
are?
> I've found that with our current Sophos the management console side is comp=
letely accessible, and I can accomplish everything I need to.
> Obviously I haven't got a clew who is going to win the contract, but one of=
 my responsibilities will be implementing and managing whatever is chosen so =
I'm just curious.
> Cheers,
> Kieran.
>=20
>=20
> Kieran Little
> IT Apprentice (Solution Design Assurance)
> Information Services
> Northumberland County Council
> County Hall
> Morpeth
> NE61 2EF
> Service desk: 01670 627004
> Direct: 01670 623699
> Mobile: 07966325130
> Email: kieran.little(a)northumberland.gov.uk
> Website: www.northumberland.gov.uk
>=20
>=20
> Save Time Do It Online!
> We have made a few key improvements to our site to make our services easy t=
o access. Now you can do everything from paying your council tax, to reportin=
g a faulty street light online. Go to: www.northumberland.gov.uk and click 'p=
ay, apply or report' to access the relevant forms.
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From matt.bsa@wh1t3.net Sat Jan 19 16:18:38 2019
From: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] DoD 8570 Security Certs
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:18:13 -0500
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I have a need to get baseline certified for DoD 8570.

Initially, I was thinking about doing the CompTIA Security Plus-it is quick,
cheap, etc. The CISSP would get me level 3 certified though and has better
long-term viability.

 

I would like to hear anyone's experiences studying for and then taking the
tests for either of these certifications.

 

Thank you,

Matt


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From gbobo@woh.rr.com Sat Jan 19 18:49:25 2019
From: "Greg B." <gbobo@woh.rr.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: DoD 8570 Security Certs
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:49:12 -0500
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Hi Matt,

I have taken the CISSP.  I studied for it by reading all the material I
could get my hands on and where I could, I worked with test engines such as
Transcender, CCCure and the  test engine from Wiley Books.  Taking the test
was grueling.  I requested and received extra time, but my test was like a
big word document with check boxes to choose answers.  I had to wait almost
2 weeks to find out my score.  I believe I spent about 7 hours on the test
because of the crappiness of the format.  I did that 2 years ago, the new
version of the test is supposed to be different but I do not know how it
would be formatted now for us.  Despite all of that, I still managed to get
a DoD job.

Greg B.

-----Original Message-----
From: matt.bsa(a)wh1t3.net <matt.bsa(a)wh1t3.net> 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:18 AM
To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] DoD 8570 Security Certs

I have a need to get baseline certified for DoD 8570.

Initially, I was thinking about doing the CompTIA Security Plus-it is quick,
cheap, etc. The CISSP would get me level 3 certified though and has better
long-term viability.

 

I would like to hear anyone's experiences studying for and then taking the
tests for either of these certifications.

 

Thank you,

Matt

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From armin.moradi@me.com Sun Jan 20 09:37:15 2019
From: Armin Moradi <armin.moradi@me.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Jaws terminal server installation as a blind
 person, blocking external ports except VPN
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 10:36:59 +0100
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Hello,

i have following situation:

I have an dedicated Server, with Windows Server 2008 R2

I want to install Jaws on the Server as terminal server program.

I have no sighted people, can i do it as blind person?

next thing:

I want to setup a active derictory with VPN access.

I want to block all ports, excepting the VPN and https port.

How can i do that all this things?

Regards

Armin Moradi

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From d@digitaldarragh.com Mon Jan 21 13:01:01 2019
From: Darragh =?utf-8?q?=C3=93_H=C3=A9iligh?= <d@digitaldarragh.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] PFSense accessibility. 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:00:41 +0000
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Has anyone had recent experience with PFSense?

The last time I used it was about six years ago and the version at that time =
was not usable.

Prior to that it was usable.

Thanks

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From cmusic789@googlemail.com Mon Jan 21 13:16:16 2019
From: Chamandeep Singh Grover <cmusic789@googlemail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:16:05 +0000
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Hi All,

 We have recently migrated over to git and using bitbucket. I am using
 Jaws with Eclipse at the moment as my ide.
 I wanted to ask for peoples' advice on carrying out code reviews and
 seeing the differences between code versions.

 I am happy to try out a new ide such as visual studio code if it has
 worked well for some people, but it is quite difficult at the moment
 to understand the changes.
 Previously when using SVN, I had this linked up with code compare,
 which worked some what to alert changes.

 Any help/advice would be appreciated.

 Thank you
Chamandeep Singh Grover

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From jason@jasonjgw.net Mon Jan 21 14:49:28 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 09:49:17 -0500
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I usually just run "git diff" from the shell, specifying the desired
revision or revisions, then review the output with my braille display.

If it's a document rather than code, I use the --word-diff option. You can
also specify the desired syntax for word-diff, which is helpful if you write
LaTeX documents, as I do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chamandeep Singh Grover via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> 
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 8:16 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Chamandeep Singh Grover <cmusic789(a)googlemail.com>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code

Hi All,

 We have recently migrated over to git and using bitbucket. I am using  Jaws
with Eclipse at the moment as my ide.
 I wanted to ask for peoples' advice on carrying out code reviews and
seeing the differences between code versions.

 I am happy to try out a new ide such as visual studio code if it has
worked well for some people, but it is quite difficult at the moment  to
understand the changes.
 Previously when using SVN, I had this linked up with code compare,  which
worked some what to alert changes.

 Any help/advice would be appreciated.

 Thank you
Chamandeep Singh Grover
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From stofflet@gmail.com Mon Jan 21 20:25:16 2019
From: Jared Stofflett <stofflet@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:24:50 -0500
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I use Bitbucket at work as well. After a pull request is open from the
command-line I do the following
git checkout develop
git pull develop
(these two commands insure I have the latest stable code for comparison.)
git checkout pullrequestbranch
git format-patch develop
These last two commands will grab the code associated with a pull request,
and for each commit not already in develop a patch file will be created
with the differences between develop and the commit that has not been
merged into develop.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:50 AM Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <
blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:

> I usually just run "git diff" from the shell, specifying the desired
> revision or revisions, then review the output with my braille display.
>
> If it's a document rather than code, I use the --word-diff option. You can
> also specify the desired syntax for word-diff, which is helpful if you
> write
> LaTeX documents, as I do.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chamandeep Singh Grover via Blind-sysadmins
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 8:16 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Cc: Chamandeep Singh Grover <cmusic789(a)googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code
>
> Hi All,
>
>  We have recently migrated over to git and using bitbucket. I am using
> Jaws
> with Eclipse at the moment as my ide.
>  I wanted to ask for peoples' advice on carrying out code reviews and
> seeing the differences between code versions.
>
>  I am happy to try out a new ide such as visual studio code if it has
> worked well for some people, but it is quite difficult at the moment  to
> understand the changes.
>  Previously when using SVN, I had this linked up with code compare,  which
> worked some what to alert changes.
>
>  Any help/advice would be appreciated.
>
>  Thank you
> Chamandeep Singh Grover
> _______________________________________________
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From andrew@hodgson.io Mon Jan 21 21:17:38 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 21:17:19 +0000
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Hi,

Thanks for the details here - this is something I have struggled with a lot r=
ecently especially given the comments section in pull requests on specific li=
nes of code.  I usually end up messing something down the line because of thi=
s.  I used Github before and it was bearly ok, but VSTS really isn't helpful =
in this regard at the moment.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jared Stofflett <stofflet(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: 21 January 2019 20:25
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code

I use Bitbucket at work as well. After a pull request is open from the comman=
d-line I do the following git checkout develop git pull develop (these two co=
mmands insure I have the latest stable code for comparison.) git checkout pul=
lrequestbranch git format-patch develop These last two commands will grab the=
 code associated with a pull request, and for each commit not already in deve=
lop a patch file will be created with the differences between develop and the=
 commit that has not been merged into develop.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:50 AM Jason White via Blind-sysadmins < blind-sysad=
mins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:

> I usually just run "git diff" from the shell, specifying the desired=20
> revision or revisions, then review the output with my braille display.
>
> If it's a document rather than code, I use the --word-diff option. You=20
> can also specify the desired syntax for word-diff, which is helpful if=20
> you write LaTeX documents, as I do.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chamandeep Singh Grover via Blind-sysadmins=20
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 8:16 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Cc: Chamandeep Singh Grover <cmusic789(a)googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] seeing dcode differnces and reviewing code
>
> Hi All,
>
>  We have recently migrated over to git and using bitbucket. I am using=20
> Jaws with Eclipse at the moment as my ide.
>  I wanted to ask for peoples' advice on carrying out code reviews and=20
> seeing the differences between code versions.
>
>  I am happy to try out a new ide such as visual studio code if it has=20
> worked well for some people, but it is quite difficult at the moment =20
> to understand the changes.
>  Previously when using SVN, I had this linked up with code compare, =20
> which worked some what to alert changes.
>
>  Any help/advice would be appreciated.
>
>  Thank you
> Chamandeep Singh Grover
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From kprescott@coolip.net Mon Jan 21 23:52:21 2019
From: Kelly Prescott <kprescott@coolip.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: PFSense accessibility. 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 18:51:12 -0500
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I use it all the time.
It works just fine.



On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh wrote:

> Has anyone had recent experience with PFSense?
>
> The last time I used it was about six years ago and the version at that tim=
e was not usable.
>
> Prior to that it was usable.
>
> Thanks
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From mj@mjw.se Tue Jan 22 15:20:23 2019
From: mattias jonsson <mj@mjw.se>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 15:20:07 +0000
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How exactly do you install sound on hyper-v?





Skickades fr=C3=A5n E-post<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> =
f=C3=B6r Windows 10



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Kopia: 'Katherine M. Moss'; Jason White
=C3=84mne: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

If you're testing this combination, I would also suggest trying Fenrir - the
relatively new console-based screen reader for Linux implemented in Python.

-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 9:11 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Katherine M. Moss <KMoss(a)WinterHillSolutions.com>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

Hyper-V does have audio, but only after the machine is installed; works on
both Windows and Linux, but in Linux's case, needs something like Pulse
Audio, and not sure whether or not that would work with Speakup or others
for terminal speech access from the local host. I'm going to test with SUSE
through Hyper-V, though, so I can let you guys know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 9:06 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

hi all,
I got in touch with someone who is in charge of hyper-v at Microsoft to ask
them to enable audio when running inside a vm.

pending if i get more news i'll let you know, for reference, here s my
contacts info via twitter.
@CraigWilhite
https://twitter.com/craigwilhite?lang=3Den
if you wanted to communicate.
hope this helps,
Majid Hussain

On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could
> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation
> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using
> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running
> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>
> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to
> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.
> However here goes:
>
> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP
> options to push sound through to the client;
> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows Core
> installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly recommend
> not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage unless you
> are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know what the
> purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get Windows
> Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>
> Andrew.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>
> hi all,
> i've a few questions.
> is hyperv accessible with sound?
> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited assistance?
> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
> how would you go about setting it up?
> wanted to have a play around?
> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the
> windows
> 10 iso's doo?
> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>
> thanks,
> Majid Hussain
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
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From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Tue Jan 22 15:26:43 2019
From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 15:26:31 +0000
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a good question I myself would like to know that answer??


On 18/01/2019, Bell, Lance (HSAL) <Lance.Bell(a)gov.mb.ca> wrote:
> Absolutely,  comments like that have a distinct way of altering trends.
> With any hope the trend is for listeners to think more about accessibility
> and put more effort in rather than to actually think it is a brain dead
> mentality. But when chasing  Profits any extra development time comes off
> the bottom line.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: January-18-19 9:18 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> you are talking about one Paul Thurrott write?
>
> On 18/01/2019, Bell, Lance (HSAL) <Lance.Bell(a)gov.mb.ca> wrote:
>> Hi  Majid,
>>
>> "Accessibility is a brain dead mentality". And "If your blind or you
>> have bad vision" , " you probably have someone that will help you do
>> that".
>>
>>
>> Sarcastically speaking :)
>> Lance
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
>> Sent: January-18-19 8:58 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>>
>> hi there,
>> thanks for letting us know,
>> the reason i asked about hyper-v, was currently i'm unable to use
>> vmware workstation due to an error on there part unable to access
>> menues using the alt key on windows, hence me asking.
>> Majid
>>
>> On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
>> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
>>> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could
>>> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation
>>> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using
>>> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running
>>> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>>>
>>> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to
>>> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.
>>> However here goes:
>>>
>>> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP
>>> options to push sound through to the client;
>>> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows
>>> Core installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly
>>> recommend not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage
>>> unless you are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know
>>> what the purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get
>>> Windows Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>>>
>>> Andrew.
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
>>> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>> i've a few questions.
>>> is hyperv accessible with sound?
>>> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
>>> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited
>>> assistance?
>>> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
>>> how would you go about setting it up?
>>> wanted to have a play around?
>>> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the
>>> windows
>>> 10 iso's doo?
>>> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
>>> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Majid Hussain
>>>
>>> --
>>> kind regards,
>>> Majid Hussain
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
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>>
>>
>> --
>> kind regards,
>> Majid Hussain
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>
>
> --
> kind regards,
> Majid Hussain
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From: mattias jonsson <mj@mjw.se>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 15:28:26 +0000
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And usb support seems out of question



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Fr=C3=A5n: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
Skickat: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:26:31 PM
Till: Blind sysadmins list
=C3=84mne: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question

a good question I myself would like to know that answer??


On 18/01/2019, Bell, Lance (HSAL) <Lance.Bell(a)gov.mb.ca> wrote:
> Absolutely,  comments like that have a distinct way of altering trends.
> With any hope the trend is for listeners to think more about accessibility
> and put more effort in rather than to actually think it is a brain dead
> mentality. But when chasing  Profits any extra development time comes off
> the bottom line.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
> Sent: January-18-19 9:18 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>
> you are talking about one Paul Thurrott write?
>
> On 18/01/2019, Bell, Lance (HSAL) <Lance.Bell(a)gov.mb.ca> wrote:
>> Hi  Majid,
>>
>> "Accessibility is a brain dead mentality". And "If your blind or you
>> have bad vision" , " you probably have someone that will help you do
>> that".
>>
>>
>> Sarcastically speaking :)
>> Lance
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Majid Hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com>
>> Sent: January-18-19 8:58 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>>
>> hi there,
>> thanks for letting us know,
>> the reason i asked about hyper-v, was currently i'm unable to use
>> vmware workstation due to an error on there part unable to access
>> menues using the alt key on windows, hence me asking.
>> Majid
>>
>> On 18/01/2019, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
>> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
>>> Is HyperV appropriate for running a Linux virtual machine that could
>>> be accessed via the local host using ssh? If so, is the installation
>>> and configuration process accessible? I'm also using
>>> virtualization-based security on the Windows side, and I'm running
>>> Windows Pro for Workstations on the machine that I'm contemplating.
>>>
>>> I have other options not involving virtualization, but just wanted to
>>> float the idea to understand the possibilities.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:56 AM
>>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: vm software question
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am a bit rusty on this since I only used HyperV up to 2012 R2.
>>> However here goes:
>>>
>>> - HyperV does not provide native sound, but you can configure RDP
>>> options to push sound through to the client;
>>> - The native HyperV installation ISO installs HyperV on a Windows
>>> Core installation and so Narrator is not available.  I strongly
>>> recommend not going down this route as it is very difficult to manage
>>> unless you are on a domain network.  Even then I don't really know
>>> what the purpose of this installation is because you would mostly get
>>> Windows Enterprise and benefit from the HyperV licensing.
>>>
>>> Andrew.
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Majid Hussain [mhussaincov93(a)gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 17 January 2019 15:21
>>> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vm software question
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>> i've a few questions.
>>> is hyperv accessible with sound?
>>> i.e the sound from with in the vm?
>>> if yes that's great, if not could it be made so with out sited
>>> assistance?
>>> does hyper-v on bare mettle have speech?
>>> how would you go about setting it up?
>>> wanted to have a play around?
>>> does the hyper-v iso have the ability of running narrator like the
>>> windows
>>> 10 iso's doo?
>>> this is for me to have a play around and to learn while playing.
>>> I hope my questions don't seemb to be too newbieish, or foolish.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Majid Hussain
>>>
>>> --
>>> kind regards,
>>> Majid Hussain
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>>
>>
>> --
>> kind regards,
>> Majid Hussain
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>
>
> --
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> Majid Hussain
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From ryshugar@microsoft.com Tue Jan 22 19:58:39 2019
From: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 19:58:23 +0000
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Hi everyone:
        I wanted to let you know that just as we have been for the past few y=
ears, the Microsoft Cloud+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN and would be =
interested in chatting with any other CSUN attendees who use our products on =
a regular basis with assistive technologies, or who train/work with those who=
 do.  These products include (but are not necessarily limited to):
*       Visual Studio/Visual Studio Code
*       Azure
*       Dynamics 365
*       PowerBI/PowerApps
*       System Center (accept for Configuration Manager)

If you are a user or work with someone who is a user of these products or oth=
er products that may fall into this area, please reach out to me and we'll tr=
y and set some time up to meet.
Thanks.
Ryan
Ryan Shugart
Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility
Microsoft Corporation
425-705-1262


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From d@digitaldarragh.com Wed Jan 23 00:13:18 2019
From: Darragh =?utf-8?q?=C3=93_H=C3=A9iligh?= <d@digitaldarragh.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 00:13:07 +0000
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Ryan,=20
Just putting an idea out there. How about your team pays for me to go over th=
ere to show you what's happening day to day from the perspective of a blind s=
ystem administrator?=20

Combo boxes in Azure haven't been properly accessible in over a year.  How ha=
s that gone on for so long?=20

Instead of moaning about this stuff, I would really like to understand what t=
he problems are that they encounter so that we can meet somewhere in the midd=
le.  I have some great contacts in Microsoft in both Ireland and across the E=
U.  If more resources are needed, I could possibly get hold of the right ears.

But really, don't discount my suggestion. I'm working in azure a lot and it l=
ooks like my employer is leaning in that direction over AWS or other cloud pl=
atforms. If my employer leans that direction, it's very likely that more orga=
nizations of this type will move too. I'm not blowing my own trumpet here but=
 I'm the person that's going to be the deciding factor.  Microsoft Ireland wo=
uld absolutely love our business. But If I can't even select my region when c=
reating a VM in the web UI then I'm not exactly jumping for joy every time Az=
ure is mentioned.=20

Azure committed spend this year has plenty of zeros.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily=
.org>=20
Sent: Tuesday 22 January 2019 19:58
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN

Hi everyone:
        I wanted to let you know that just as we have been for the past few y=
ears, the Microsoft Cloud+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN and would be =
interested in chatting with any other CSUN attendees who use our products on =
a regular basis with assistive technologies, or who train/work with those who=
 do.  These products include (but are not necessarily limited to=20
*       Visual Studio/Visual Studio Code
*       Azure
*       Dynamics 365
*       PowerBI/PowerApps
*       System Center (accept for Configuration Manager)

If you are a user or work with someone who is a user of these products or oth=
er products that may fall into this area, please reach out to me and we'll tr=
y and set some time up to meet.
Thanks.
Ryan
Ryan Shugart
Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation
425-705-1262

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From andrew@hodgson.io Wed Jan 23 12:26:44 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:26:30 +0000
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Hi,

Yeah I spoke to people about the combo box thing in Azure as well and this wa=
s fixed in some places but has got worse over the past months.  I was going t=
o push this forward again.  I spend all my time in Azure these days and try a=
nd do as much as possible via ARM templates or CLI but on the occasion when I=
 need to go into the GUI its frustrrating.

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
Sent: 23 January 2019 00:13
To: Blind sysadmins list
Cc: Ryan Shugart
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN

Ryan,
Just putting an idea out there. How about your team pays for me to go over th=
ere to show you what's happening day to day from the perspective of a blind s=
ystem administrator?

Combo boxes in Azure haven't been properly accessible in over a year.  How ha=
s that gone on for so long?

Instead of moaning about this stuff, I would really like to understand what t=
he problems are that they encounter so that we can meet somewhere in the midd=
le.  I have some great contacts in Microsoft in both Ireland and across the E=
U.  If more resources are needed, I could possibly get hold of the right ears.

But really, don't discount my suggestion. I'm working in azure a lot and it l=
ooks like my employer is leaning in that direction over AWS or other cloud pl=
atforms. If my employer leans that direction, it's very likely that more orga=
nizations of this type will move too. I'm not blowing my own trumpet here but=
 I'm the person that's going to be the deciding factor.  Microsoft Ireland wo=
uld absolutely love our business. But If I can't even select my region when c=
reating a VM in the web UI then I'm not exactly jumping for joy every time Az=
ure is mentioned.

Azure committed spend this year has plenty of zeros.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily=
.org>
Sent: Tuesday 22 January 2019 19:58
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN

Hi everyone:
        I wanted to let you know that just as we have been for the past few y=
ears, the Microsoft Cloud+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN and would be =
interested in chatting with any other CSUN attendees who use our products on =
a regular basis with assistive technologies, or who train/work with those who=
 do.  These products include (but are not necessarily limited to
*       Visual Studio/Visual Studio Code
*       Azure
*       Dynamics 365
*       PowerBI/PowerApps
*       System Center (accept for Configuration Manager)

If you are a user or work with someone who is a user of these products or oth=
er products that may fall into this area, please reach out to me and we'll tr=
y and set some time up to meet.
Thanks.
Ryan
Ryan Shugart
Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation
425-705-1262

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From KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com Wed Jan 23 13:26:33 2019
From: "Katherine M. Moss" <KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:26:22 +0000
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Hi all,
I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to se=
t up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server 2019 v=
ia a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is better for a=
 file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the compatibility=
 and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I firmly believed al=
l of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be disabled by default? I can=
 find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class networks stating that Unra=
id is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a s=
mall business network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real wo=
rld.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the t=
wo do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage space, and I=
've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, performance, o=
r anything else. Any input would be great. Most other folks I've gone to seem=
 to be leaning towards Windows ... especially with Windows server core, which=
 my server would be. Thanks for any input. Much appreciated.

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From andrew@hodgson.io Wed Jan 23 16:07:43 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:07:26 +0000
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Hi,

UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I persona=
lly use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was just my p=
ersonal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days anyway as the=
y all use very similar technology.

Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more servi=
ces (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonf=
amily.org]
Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
Cc: Katherine M. Moss
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi all,
I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to se=
t up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server 2019 v=
ia a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is better for a=
 file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the compatibility=
 and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I firmly believed al=
l of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be disabled by default? I can=
 find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class networks stating that Unra=
id is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a s=
mall business network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real wo=
rld.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the t=
wo do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage space, and I=
've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, performance, o=
r anything else. Any input would be great. Most other folks I've gone to seem=
 to be leaning towards Windows ... especially with Windows server core, which=
 my server would be. Thanks for any input. Much appreciated.
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From KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com Wed Jan 23 16:26:12 2019
From: "Katherine M. Moss" <KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:25:58 +0000
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I'll have to ask my friend where he pulled his info from, then. I think he po=
ssibly just wants something new to play with, for he's been doing a lot of th=
at lately. But thanks for the info. Actually, that is consistently what I kee=
p hearing from the rest of the IT community, as well.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi,

UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I persona=
lly use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was just my p=
ersonal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days anyway as the=
y all use very similar technology.

Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more servi=
ces (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonf=
amily.org]
Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
Cc: Katherine M. Moss
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi all,
I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to se=
t up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server 2019 v=
ia a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is better for a=
 file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the compatibility=
 and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I firmly believed al=
l of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be disabled by default? I can=
 find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class networks stating that Unra=
id is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a s=
mall business network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real wo=
rld.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the t=
wo do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage space, and I=
've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, performance, o=
r anything else. Any input would be great. Most other folks I've g  one to se=
em to be leaning towards Windows ... especially with Windows server core, whi=
ch my server would be. Thanks for any input. Much appreciated.
_______________________________________________
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From spaulding@icanbrew.com Wed Jan 23 16:44:58 2019
From: Timothy Spaulding <spaulding@icanbrew.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:44:48 +0000
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Hi,

How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinking =
of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi,

UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I persona=
lly use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was just my p=
ersonal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days anyway as the=
y all use very similar technology.

Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more servi=
ces (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonf=
amily.org]
Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
Cc: Katherine M. Moss
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi all,
I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to se=
t up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server 2019 v=
ia a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is better for a=
 file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the compatibility=
 and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I firmly believed al=
l of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be disabled by default? I can=
 find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class networks stating that Unra=
id is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a s=
mall business network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real wo=
rld.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the t=
wo do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage space, and I=
've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, performance, o=
r anything else. Any input would be great. Most other folks I've gone to seem=
 to be leaning towards Windows ... especially with Windows server core, which=
 my server would be. Thanks for any input. Much appreciated.
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From andrew@hodgson.io Wed Jan 23 16:47:32 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:47:22 +0000
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Hi,

It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the fea=
tures.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface but th=
ere we go.

You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a cer=
tain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology

Hi,

How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinking =
of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi,

UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I persona=
lly use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was just my p=
ersonal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days anyway as the=
y all use very similar technology.

Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more servi=
ces (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonf=
amily.org]
Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
Cc: Katherine M. Moss
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi all,
I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to se=
t up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server 2019 v=
ia a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is better for a=
 file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the compatibility=
 and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I firmly believed al=
l of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be disabled by default? I can=
 find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class networks stating that Unra=
id is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a s=
mall business network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real wo=
rld.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the t=
wo do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage space, and I=
've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, performance, o=
r anything else. Any input would be great. Most other folks I've gone to seem=
 to be leaning towards Windows ... especially with Windows server core, which=
 my server would be. Thanks for any input. Much appreciated.
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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 23 16:56:45 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:56:36 +0100
Message-ID: <2831291f-a64f-79b3-4237-c0d8a020d4f7@vol.at>
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Hi,

last time i looked at the DSM demo server i found it pretty accessible.
https://demo.synology.com/


At least i found it loads more accessible than our QNAP systems here in=20
the office.
that's why my sighted colleagues are taking care of those QNAP boxes.

Greetings,
Simon

Am 23.01.2019 um 17:47 schrieb Andrew Hodgson:
> Hi,
>=20
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the f=
eatures.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface but =
there we go.
>=20
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a c=
ertain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinkin=
g of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I perso=
nally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was just my=
 personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days anyway as t=
hey all use very similar technology.
>=20
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more ser=
vices (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgso=
nfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to =
set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server 2019=
 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is better for=
 a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the compatibili=
ty and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I firmly believed =
all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be disabled by default? I c=
an find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class networks stating that Un=
raid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a=
 small business network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real =
world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the=
 two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage space, and=
 I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, performance,=
 or anything else. Any input would be great. Most other folks I've gone to s
>   eem to be leaning towards Windows ... especially with Windows server core=
, which my server would be. Thanks for any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
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From sm@noisynotes.com Wed Jan 23 17:04:46 2019
From: Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:04:33 -0500
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It's quirky to say the least, with a mixture of control types that cause=20
at least one screenreader a bit of confusion, but it's definitely usable.


On 1/23/2019 11:44 AM, Timothy Spaulding wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinkin=
g of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>
> Hi,
>
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I perso=
nally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was just my=
 personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days anyway as t=
hey all use very similar technology.
>
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more ser=
vices (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgso=
nfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to =
set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server 2019=
 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is better for=
 a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the compatibili=
ty and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I firmly believed =
all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be disabled by default? I c=
an find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class networks stating that Un=
raid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a=
 small business network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real =
world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the=
 two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage space, and=
 I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, performance,=
 or anything else. Any input would be great. Most other folks I've gone to se=
em to be leaning towards Windows ... especially with Windows server core, whi=
ch my server would be. Thanks for any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________


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From philrigby62@gmail.com Wed Jan 23 20:29:37 2019
From: philrigby62@gmail.com
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 20:29:18 +0000
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Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is how to
perform the functions of the web interface via the command line once signed
into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they call DSM, is Linux
based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I suppose Synology wouldn't like
us fiddling with things as it would complicate their support model.

If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the Linux
command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.

As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not nice at
all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor usage to get
everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward. That's' why I'd
love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.


Cheers,
Phil.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> 
Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

Hi,

It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the
features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface
but there we go.

You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a
certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology

Hi,

How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinking
of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi,

UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was
just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days
anyway as they all use very similar technology.

Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more
services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).

Andrew.
________________________________________
From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
[blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
Cc: Katherine M. Moss
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server

Hi all,
I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to
set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server
2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the
compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I
firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be
disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class
networks stating that Unraid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a
lab, but it's set up like a small business network to mimic what would be
potentially found in the real world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows
storage spaces, seems like the two do the same thing. My current server is
set up with a storage space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms
of transfer speeds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks for
any input. Much appreciated.
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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 23 20:41:37 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:41:21 +0100
Message-ID: <6123cec5-b509-824f-335c-2a5291cfea52@vol.at>
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I looked into it with NVDA.
So that seems to be working better with newer web technologies like the=20
app mode?



Am 23.01.2019 um 21:29 schrieb philrigby62(a)gmail.com:
> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is how to
> perform the functions of the web interface via the command line once signed
> into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they call DSM, is Linux
> based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I suppose Synology wouldn't like
> us fiddling with things as it would complicate their support model.
>=20
> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the Linux
> command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
>=20
> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not nice at
> all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor usage to get
> everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward. That's' why I'd
> love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
>=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Phil.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the
> features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface
> but there we go.
>=20
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a
> certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinking
> of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was
> just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days
> anyway as they all use very similar technology.
>=20
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more
> services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to
> set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server
> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the
> compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I
> firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be
> disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class
> networks stating that Unraid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a
> lab, but it's set up like a small business network to mimic what would be
> potentially found in the real world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows
> storage spaces, seems like the two do the same thing. My current server is
> set up with a storage space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms
> of transfer speeds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks for
> any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 23 20:46:28 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Managing QNAP NAS from SSH?
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:46:17 +0100
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Hi all,

We have a bunch of inaccessible QNAP NAS in our office.
Unfortunatelly their web interface is completely inaccessible and has a 
lot of unlabeled buttons and other weird accessibility problems.

I already have googled but haven't found much info of how to manage the 
NAS using SSH.
Like managing shares, users, etc.
also having a look at the drives status and capacity.
Anyone has an idea for me?

At the moment i had to delegate those tasks to my sighted colleagues and 
i guess we have to stay that way.

Greetings and thanks,
Simon

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From andrew@hodgson.io Wed Jan 23 21:00:05 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 20:59:54 +0000
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Hi,

Best thing is to go on the demo site and find out for yourself.  Its not stan=
dard but workable.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at>=20
Sent: 23 January 2019 20:41
To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

I looked into it with NVDA.
So that seems to be working better with newer web technologies like the app m=
ode?



Am 23.01.2019 um 21:29 schrieb philrigby62(a)gmail.com:
> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is how to
> perform the functions of the web interface via the command line once signed
> into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they call DSM, is Linux
> based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I suppose Synology wouldn't like
> us fiddling with things as it would complicate their support model.
>=20
> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the Linux
> command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
>=20
> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not nice at
> all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor usage to get
> everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward. That's' why I'd
> love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
>=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Phil.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the
> features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface
> but there we go.
>=20
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a
> certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinking
> of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was
> just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days
> anyway as they all use very similar technology.
>=20
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more
> services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to
> set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server
> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the
> compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I
> firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be
> disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class
> networks stating that Unraid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a
> lab, but it's set up like a small business network to mimic what would be
> potentially found in the real world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows
> storage spaces, seems like the two do the same thing. My current server is
> set up with a storage space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms
> of transfer speeds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks for
> any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 23 21:06:34 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:06:23 +0100
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agreed.
some parts are a little bit difficult to access.
for example the about screen to see version numbers.

I guess the most accessible NAS is our 11 year old Buffalo TeraStation=20
which today showed signs of aging.
At least one of the disks.

Simon

Am 23.01.2019 um 21:59 schrieb Andrew Hodgson:
> Hi,
>=20
> Best thing is to go on the demo site and find out for yourself.  Its not st=
andard but workable.
>=20
> Andrew.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at>
> Sent: 23 January 2019 20:41
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> I looked into it with NVDA.
> So that seems to be working better with newer web technologies like the app=
 mode?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Am 23.01.2019 um 21:29 schrieb philrigby62(a)gmail.com:
>> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is how to
>> perform the functions of the web interface via the command line once signed
>> into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they call DSM, is Linux
>> based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I suppose Synology wouldn't li=
ke
>> us fiddling with things as it would complicate their support model.
>>
>> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the Linux
>> command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
>>
>> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not nice =
at
>> all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor usage to get
>> everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward. That's' why I'd
>> love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Phil.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the
>> features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface
>> but there we go.
>>
>> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a
>> certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>>
>> Andrew.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
>> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
>> To: Blind sysadmins list
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinki=
ng
>> of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
>> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was
>> just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days
>> anyway as they all use very similar technology.
>>
>> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more
>> services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>>
>> Andrew.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
>> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
>> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
>> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
>> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to
>> set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server
>> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
>> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the
>> compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I
>> firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be
>> disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet for enterprise-cla=
ss
>> networks stating that Unraid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a
>> lab, but it's set up like a small business network to mimic what would be
>> potentially found in the real world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windo=
ws
>> storage spaces, seems like the two do the same thing. My current server is
>> set up with a storage space, and I've never had any issues with him in ter=
ms
>> of transfer speeds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be grea=
t.
>> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
>> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks for
>> any input. Much appreciated.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to
>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Jan 23 21:57:08 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:56:59 -0500
Message-ID: <20190123215659.tvhbmseja55h2ue6@jm.jasonjgw.net>
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I would be inclined to suggest obtaining a small machine, adding drives to it,
installing FreeBSD, setting up zfs, editing configuration files for Samba, nfs
or whatever you need... and the problem goes away.


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From ccn@chrisnestrud.com Wed Jan 23 22:01:07 2019
From: Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:00:57 -0600
Message-ID: <20190123220056.2dercemwu6k6o3ch@chrisnestrud.com>
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The web interface seems to call several not-so-well-documented programs.
Many start with 'syno'. For example I believe synoshare lets you
manipulate network shares. Other than that you can use standard tools
such as lvresize for adding space to existing logical volumes.

It's probably easier to take a few minutes to become familiar with the
oddities of the web interface though.

Chris

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:29:18PM -0000, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is how to
> perform the functions of the web interface via the command line once signed
> into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they call DSM, is Linux
> based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I suppose Synology wouldn't like
> us fiddling with things as it would complicate their support model.
>=20
> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the Linux
> command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
>=20
> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not nice at
> all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor usage to get
> everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward. That's' why I'd
> love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
>=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Phil.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the
> features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface
> but there we go.
>=20
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a
> certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinking
> of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was
> just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days
> anyway as they all use very similar technology.
>=20
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more
> services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to
> set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server
> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the
> compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I
> firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be
> disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class
> networks stating that Unraid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a
> lab, but it's set up like a small business network to mimic what would be
> potentially found in the real world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows
> storage spaces, seems like the two do the same thing. My current server is
> set up with a storage space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms
> of transfer speeds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks for
> any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From rmann@cvicentralflorida.org Wed Jan 23 22:03:21 2019
From: Ryan Mann <rmann@cvicentralflorida.org>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:04:34 -0500
Message-ID: <404f3d08abc89ed2db40a94e70e6d9e1@mail.gmail.com>
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Out of curiosity, why would you suggest Free BSD over Linux?  For a blind
person, aren't the choices for Free BSD to have a machine with a serial
port or get sighted assistance to install it?



Ryan Mann
Computer Instructor/IT Specialist
Center For The Visually Impaired
DaytonaBeach, FL 32114
Phone: 386-253-8879 EXT 111


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
[mailto:blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:57 PM
To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

I would be inclined to suggest obtaining a small machine, adding drives to
it, installing FreeBSD, setting up zfs, editing configuration files for
Samba, nfs or whatever you need... and the problem goes away.

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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 23 22:07:08 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:07:00 +0100
Message-ID: <8bb98774-4149-d173-e9bc-dbdb1cb7ce27@vol.at>
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Hi,

I would have suggested debian and maybe using OpenMediaVault.
Though i haven't looked at it at the moment for accessibility.
Though i am planning that in the future.
when i have some time to do that.

Simon


Am 23.01.2019 um 23:04 schrieb Ryan Mann:
> Out of curiosity, why would you suggest Free BSD over Linux?  For a blind
> person, aren't the choices for Free BSD to have a machine with a serial
> port or get sighted assistance to install it?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Ryan Mann
> Computer Instructor/IT Specialist
> Center For The Visually Impaired
> DaytonaBeach, FL 32114
> Phone: 386-253-8879 EXT 111
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
> [mailto:blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:57 PM
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> I would be inclined to suggest obtaining a small machine, adding drives to
> it, installing FreeBSD, setting up zfs, editing configuration files for
> Samba, nfs or whatever you need... and the problem goes away.
>=20
> _______________________________________________
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From simon.eigeldinger@vol.at Wed Jan 23 22:09:01 2019
From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:08:55 +0100
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Forgot to add or just plain debian and samba.
can be easily installed as a blind person with speech or braille.

Am 23.01.2019 um 23:07 schrieb Simon Eigeldinger:
> Hi,
> 
> I would have suggested debian and maybe using OpenMediaVault.
> Though i haven't looked at it at the moment for accessibility.
> Though i am planning that in the future.
> when i have some time to do that.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> Am 23.01.2019 um 23:04 schrieb Ryan Mann:
>> Out of curiosity, why would you suggest Free BSD over Linux?  For a blind
>> person, aren't the choices for Free BSD to have a machine with a serial
>> port or get sighted assistance to install it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan Mann
>> Computer Instructor/IT Specialist
>> Center For The Visually Impaired
>> DaytonaBeach, FL 32114
>> Phone: 386-253-8879 EXT 111
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:57 PM
>> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
>> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>>
>> I would be inclined to suggest obtaining a small machine, adding 
>> drives to
>> it, installing FreeBSD, setting up zfs, editing configuration files for
>> Samba, nfs or whatever you need... and the problem goes away.
>>
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From andrew@hodgson.io Wed Jan 23 22:10:31 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:10:20 +0000
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Hi,

There are also some small DBs on there in the backend so any changes you make=
 may not be persistent.  This is why an API entrypoint would be better than S=
SH in my view, then having tools to connect over the API.  I manage several L=
inux boxes running custom software appliances but SSH isn't really useful on =
any of them, but they all have good APIs and PowerShell modules so we can do =
the necessary work from the CLI.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nestrud <ccn(a)chrisnestrud.com>=20
Sent: 23 January 2019 22:01
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

The web interface seems to call several not-so-well-documented programs.
Many start with 'syno'. For example I believe synoshare lets you manipulate n=
etwork shares. Other than that you can use standard tools such as lvresize fo=
r adding space to existing logical volumes.

It's probably easier to take a few minutes to become familiar with the odditi=
es of the web interface though.

Chris

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:29:18PM -0000, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is=20
> how to perform the functions of the web interface via the command line=20
> once signed into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they=20
> call DSM, is Linux based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I=20
> suppose Synology wouldn't like us fiddling with things as it would complica=
te their support model.
>=20
> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the=20
> Linux command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
>=20
> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not=20
> nice at all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor=20
> usage to get everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward.=20
> That's' why I'd love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
>=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Phil.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like=20
> the features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell=20
> interface but there we go.
>=20
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there=20
> is a certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am=20
> thinking of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file=20
> server
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I=20
> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that=20
> was just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters=20
> these days anyway as they all use very similar technology.
>=20
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable=20
> more services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins=20
> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm=20
> trying to set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have=20
> Windows server
> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is=20
> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due=20
> to the compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it,=20
> though I firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in=20
> Windows to be disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet=20
> for enterprise-class networks stating that Unraid is surely a more=20
> secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a small business=20
> network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real world.)=20
> Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the=20
> two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage=20
> space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, =
performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks=20
> for any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
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From billy.irwin@outlook.com Wed Jan 23 22:13:47 2019
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:13:39 +0000
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Hi All,

I thought I would share my experience with the Synology units. We had one at =
my previous job and I connected it the Active Directory and used the MMC to m=
anage most of it. So, you could create shares and do some computer management=
 through the Computer Manager MMC. I very rarely had to login to the DSM but =
like everone else has already stated it is useable but lacking a bit.

Best,

Billy

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:10 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

Hi,

There are also some small DBs on there in the backend so any changes you make=
 may not be persistent.  This is why an API entrypoint would be better than S=
SH in my view, then having tools to connect over the API.  I manage several L=
inux boxes running custom software appliances but SSH isn't really useful on =
any of them, but they all have good APIs and PowerShell modules so we can do =
the necessary work from the CLI.

Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nestrud <ccn(a)chrisnestrud.com>=20
Sent: 23 January 2019 22:01
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

The web interface seems to call several not-so-well-documented programs.
Many start with 'syno'. For example I believe synoshare lets you manipulate n=
etwork shares. Other than that you can use standard tools such as lvresize fo=
r adding space to existing logical volumes.

It's probably easier to take a few minutes to become familiar with the odditi=
es of the web interface though.

Chris

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:29:18PM -0000, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is=20
> how to perform the functions of the web interface via the command line=20
> once signed into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they=20
> call DSM, is Linux based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I=20
> suppose Synology wouldn't like us fiddling with things as it would complica=
te their support model.
>=20
> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the=20
> Linux command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
>=20
> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not=20
> nice at all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor=20
> usage to get everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward.=20
> That's' why I'd love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
>=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Phil.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like=20
> the features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell=20
> interface but there we go.
>=20
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there=20
> is a certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am=20
> thinking of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file=20
> server
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I=20
> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that=20
> was just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters=20
> these days anyway as they all use very similar technology.
>=20
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable=20
> more services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>=20
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins=20
> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>=20
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm=20
> trying to set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have=20
> Windows server
> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is=20
> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due=20
> to the compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it,=20
> though I firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in=20
> Windows to be disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet=20
> for enterprise-class networks stating that Unraid is surely a more=20
> secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a small business=20
> network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real world.)=20
> Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the=20
> two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage=20
> space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds, =
performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks=20
> for any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to
> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From ultimatethesecond@googlemail.com Wed Jan 23 22:55:39 2019
From: Chris Turner <ultimatethesecond@googlemail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:43:22 +0000
Message-ID: <8ec13a37-3f07-481f-7ef7-22f06033e64c@gmail.com>
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Hi.

Anyone know what's current now as far as command line access? I have an=20
old DS-2011J, I had to run a bootstrap script specific to the model of=20
CPU which allowed me to install a package manager, IPKG. This then=20
allowed me to install bash amongst other linux utilities. The default=20
shell on diskstations is busybox which is rather limited.


Just a note of caution, I didn't set everything up with this Phil.=20
Initially way back then, the webgui was useful enough to get the basics=20
done. AN update made it less so. I've not bothered updating DSM, since=20
then, if I recall, I couldn't do it any longer. But it sounds like the=20
webgui has improved a bit.


Ha, of course, it's not my main NAS now. I went for an HP microserver=20
after that, running vmware and a handfull of linux vms for a few=20
different roles.


Cheers


Chris Turner




On 23/01/19 20:29, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is how to
> perform the functions of the web interface via the command line once signed
> into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they call DSM, is Linux
> based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I suppose Synology wouldn't like
> us fiddling with things as it would complicate their support model.
>
> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the Linux
> command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
>
> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not nice at
> all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor usage to get
> everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward. That's' why I'd
> love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Phil.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>
> Hi,
>
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like the
> features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell interface
> but there we go.
>
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there is a
> certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
>
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
>
> Hi,
>
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am thinking
> of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>
> Hi,
>
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that was
> just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters these days
> anyway as they all use very similar technology.
>
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable more
> services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
>
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
>
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm trying to
> set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have Windows server
> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due to the
> compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it, though I
> firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in Windows to be
> disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet for enterprise-class
> networks stating that Unraid is surely a more secure option. (yes, it's a
> lab, but it's set up like a small business network to mimic what would be
> potentially found in the real world.) Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows
> storage spaces, seems like the two do the same thing. My current server is
> set up with a storage space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms
> of transfer speeds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks for
> any input. Much appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Jan 23 23:22:23 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 18:22:16 -0500
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I would expect the ZFS support in FreeBSD to be better, although apparently
the Linux version (outside of the mainline kernel due to license
compatibility issues) is now what the other operating systems have decided
to work from in future releases.

ZFS is reputedly very good (data check sums, copy-on-write, redundancy if
you have multiple drives, etc.). I suppose my recommendation is really for
ZFS, and if you want to take the ZFS for Linux route with a separately
compiled kernel module, that option seems to be open too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mann <rmann(a)cvicentralflorida.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:05 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

Out of curiosity, why would you suggest Free BSD over Linux?  For a blind
person, aren't the choices for Free BSD to have a machine with a serial port
or get sighted assistance to install it?



Ryan Mann
Computer Instructor/IT Specialist
Center For The Visually Impaired
DaytonaBeach, FL 32114
Phone: 386-253-8879 EXT 111


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

I would be inclined to suggest obtaining a small machine, adding drives to
it, installing FreeBSD, setting up zfs, editing configuration files for
Samba, nfs or whatever you need... and the problem goes away.

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From rshugart@ryanshugart.com Thu Jan 24 04:23:10 2019
From: Ryan Shugart <rshugart@ryanshugart.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 04:22:53 +0000
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Hi Andrew:
	I have a thread going with Darragh and some of the Azure accessibility peopl=
e, I'll go ahead and add you to the thread as well and perhaps we can figure =
out what's going on here and how best to fix it.  We thought we had fixed the=
 combo box issue earlier last year, but it looks like either we haven't or a =
change has been introduced that broke it again, either way, we really need to=
 figure out what happened and how to fix it once and for all.
Thanks.
Ryan

=EF=BB=BF-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 4:27 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN

    Hi,
   =20
    Yeah I spoke to people about the combo box thing in Azure as well and thi=
s was fixed in some places but has got worse over the past months.  I was goi=
ng to push this forward again.  I spend all my time in Azure these days and t=
ry and do as much as possible via ARM templates or CLI but on the occasion wh=
en I need to go into the GUI its frustrrating.
   =20
    Andrew.
    ________________________________________
    From: Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com]
    Sent: 23 January 2019 00:13
    To: Blind sysadmins list
    Cc: Ryan Shugart
    Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN
   =20
    Ryan,
    Just putting an idea out there. How about your team pays for me to go ove=
r there to show you what's happening day to day from the perspective of a bli=
nd system administrator?
   =20
    Combo boxes in Azure haven't been properly accessible in over a year.  Ho=
w has that gone on for so long?
   =20
    Instead of moaning about this stuff, I would really like to understand wh=
at the problems are that they encounter so that we can meet somewhere in the =
middle.  I have some great contacts in Microsoft in both Ireland and across t=
he EU.  If more resources are needed, I could possibly get hold of the right =
ears.
   =20
    But really, don't discount my suggestion. I'm working in azure a lot and =
it looks like my employer is leaning in that direction over AWS or other clou=
d platforms. If my employer leans that direction, it's very likely that more =
organizations of this type will move too. I'm not blowing my own trumpet here=
 but I'm the person that's going to be the deciding factor.  Microsoft Irelan=
d would absolutely love our business. But If I can't even select my region wh=
en creating a VM in the web UI then I'm not exactly jumping for joy every tim=
e Azure is mentioned.
   =20
    Azure committed spend this year has plenty of zeros.
   =20
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfa=
mily.org>
    Sent: Tuesday 22 January 2019 19:58
    To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com>
    Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team at CSUN
   =20
    Hi everyone:
            I wanted to let you know that just as we have been for the past f=
ew years, the Microsoft Cloud+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN and would=
 be interested in chatting with any other CSUN attendees who use our products=
 on a regular basis with assistive technologies, or who train/work with those=
 who do.  These products include (but are not necessarily limited to
    *       Visual Studio/Visual Studio Code
    *       Azure
    *       Dynamics 365
    *       PowerBI/PowerApps
    *       System Center (accept for Configuration Manager)
   =20
    If you are a user or work with someone who is a user of these products or=
 other products that may fall into this area, please reach out to me and we'l=
l try and set some time up to meet.
    Thanks.
    Ryan
    Ryan Shugart
    Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation
    425-705-1262
   =20
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From rshugart@ryanshugart.com Thu Jan 24 04:29:12 2019
From: Ryan Shugart <rshugart@ryanshugart.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 04:29:01 +0000
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I'm going to date myself here.  Anyone remember the old Windows Home Server p=
roduct?  That is one MS product I'm sorry was retired but such is life, it ha=
d an interesting following and with some work-arounds was actually quite acce=
ssible.  I ran it for quite a few years as a file server and backup server be=
fore retiring it and moving things up to the cloud.  I know there is still a =
server essentuals package that is based on the old WHS UI but I don't know if=
 its suitable for home/small business  use anymore.
Ryan

=EF=BB=BF-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:11 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

    Hi,
   =20
    There are also some small DBs on there in the backend so any changes you =
make may not be persistent.  This is why an API entrypoint would be better th=
an SSH in my view, then having tools to connect over the API.  I manage sever=
al Linux boxes running custom software appliances but SSH isn't really useful=
 on any of them, but they all have good APIs and PowerShell modules so we can=
 do the necessary work from the CLI.
   =20
    Andrew.
   =20
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Nestrud <ccn(a)chrisnestrud.com>=20
    Sent: 23 January 2019 22:01
    To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
   =20
    The web interface seems to call several not-so-well-documented programs.
    Many start with 'syno'. For example I believe synoshare lets you manipula=
te network shares. Other than that you can use standard tools such as lvresiz=
e for adding space to existing logical volumes.
   =20
    It's probably easier to take a few minutes to become familiar with the od=
dities of the web interface though.
   =20
    Chris
   =20
    On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:29:18PM -0000, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
    > Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is=20
    > how to perform the functions of the web interface via the command line =

    > once signed into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they=20
    > call DSM, is Linux based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I=20
    > suppose Synology wouldn't like us fiddling with things as it would comp=
licate their support model.
    >=20
    > If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the=20
    > Linux command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interest=
ed.
    >=20
    > As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not=20
    > nice at all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor=20
    > usage to get everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward.=20
    > That's' why I'd love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
    >=20
    >=20
    > Cheers,
    > Phil.
    >=20
    >=20
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
    > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
    >=20
    > Hi,
    >=20
    > It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like=20
    > the features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell=20
    > interface but there we go.
    >=20
    > You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there=20
    > is a certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
    >=20
    > Andrew.
    > ________________________________________
    > From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
    > To: Blind sysadmins list
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
    >=20
    > Hi,
    >=20
    > How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am=20
    > thinking of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
    >=20
    > Tim
    >=20
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
    > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
    > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file=20
    > server
    >=20
    > Hi,
    >=20
    > UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I=20
    > personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that =

    > was just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters=20
    > these days anyway as they all use very similar technology.
    >=20
    > Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable=20
    > more services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once=
).
    >=20
    > Andrew.
    > ________________________________________
    > From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins=20
    > [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
    > To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
    > Cc: Katherine M. Moss
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
    >=20
    > Hi all,
    > I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm=20
    > trying to set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have=20
    > Windows server
    > 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is =

    > better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due=20
    > to the compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it,=20
    > though I firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in=20
    > Windows to be disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet=20
    > for enterprise-class networks stating that Unraid is surely a more=20
    > secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a small business =

    > network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real world.)=20
    > Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the=20
    > two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage=20
    > space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer spee=
ds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
    > Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
    > especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks=20
    > for any input. Much appreciated.
    > _______________________________________________
    > Blind-sysadmins mailing list --=20
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    > To unsubscribe send an email to
    > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From andrew@hodgson.io Thu Jan 24 13:41:02 2019
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:40:45 +0000
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Hi,

The business version of this gets you to set up a full AD implementation so i=
ts more complex and available at business prices obviously.  There used to be=
 NAS type hardware with this installed but I don't believe it is anything lat=
er than the 2012 R2 release.  I used to love the backup feature where it did =
an incremental image backup of the machines, we have this now on Synology Bac=
kup actually.

Andrew.and servers=20
________________________________________
From: Ryan Shugart [rshugart(a)ryanshugart.com]
Sent: 24 January 2019 04:29
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

I'm going to date myself here.  Anyone remember the old Windows Home Server p=
roduct?  That is one MS product I'm sorry was retired but such is life, it ha=
d an interesting following and with some work-arounds was actually quite acce=
ssible.  I ran it for quite a few years as a file server and backup server be=
fore retiring it and moving things up to the cloud.  I know there is still a =
server essentuals package that is based on the old WHS UI but I don't know if=
 its suitable for home/small business  use anymore.
Ryan

=EF=BB=BF-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:11 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

    Hi,

    There are also some small DBs on there in the backend so any changes you =
make may not be persistent.  This is why an API entrypoint would be better th=
an SSH in my view, then having tools to connect over the API.  I manage sever=
al Linux boxes running custom software appliances but SSH isn't really useful=
 on any of them, but they all have good APIs and PowerShell modules so we can=
 do the necessary work from the CLI.

    Andrew.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Nestrud <ccn(a)chrisnestrud.com>
    Sent: 23 January 2019 22:01
    To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

    The web interface seems to call several not-so-well-documented programs.
    Many start with 'syno'. For example I believe synoshare lets you manipula=
te network shares. Other than that you can use standard tools such as lvresiz=
e for adding space to existing logical volumes.

    It's probably easier to take a few minutes to become familiar with the od=
dities of the web interface though.

    Chris

    On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:29:18PM -0000, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
    > Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is
    > how to perform the functions of the web interface via the command line
    > once signed into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they
    > call DSM, is Linux based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I
    > suppose Synology wouldn't like us fiddling with things as it would comp=
licate their support model.
    >
    > If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the
    > Linux command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interest=
ed.
    >
    > As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not
    > nice at all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor
    > usage to get everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward.
    > That's' why I'd love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
    >
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Phil.
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
    > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like
    > the features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell
    > interface but there we go.
    >
    > You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there
    > is a certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
    >
    > Andrew.
    > ________________________________________
    > From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
    > To: Blind sysadmins list
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am
    > thinking of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
    >
    > Tim
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
    > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
    > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file
    > server
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
    > personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that
    > was just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters
    > these days anyway as they all use very similar technology.
    >
    > Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable
    > more services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once=
).
    >
    > Andrew.
    > ________________________________________
    > From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
    > [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
    > To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
    > Cc: Katherine M. Moss
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
    >
    > Hi all,
    > I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm
    > trying to set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have
    > Windows server
    > 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
    > better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due
    > to the compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it,
    > though I firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in
    > Windows to be disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet
    > for enterprise-class networks stating that Unraid is surely a more
    > secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a small business
    > network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real world.)
    > Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the
    > two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage
    > space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer spee=
ds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
    > Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
    > especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks
    > for any input. Much appreciated.
    > _______________________________________________
    > Blind-sysadmins mailing list --
    > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
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From KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com Thu Jan 24 14:02:32 2019
From: "Katherine M. Moss" <KMoss@WinterHillSolutions.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:02:21 +0000
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Windows server Essentials used to be nice, though 2016 is the last version of=
 the good experience. Dashboard was kind of a pain in the butt to use, though=
 you can ignore it if you're savvy enough and prefer the normal Windows serve=
r management tools.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>=20
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:41 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

Hi,

The business version of this gets you to set up a full AD implementation so i=
ts more complex and available at business prices obviously.  There used to be=
 NAS type hardware with this installed but I don't believe it is anything lat=
er than the 2012 R2 release.  I used to love the backup feature where it did =
an incremental image backup of the machines, we have this now on Synology Bac=
kup actually.

Andrew.and servers=20
________________________________________
From: Ryan Shugart [rshugart(a)ryanshugart.com]
Sent: 24 January 2019 04:29
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

I'm going to date myself here.  Anyone remember the old Windows Home Server p=
roduct?  That is one MS product I'm sorry was retired but such is life, it ha=
d an interesting following and with some work-arounds was actually quite acce=
ssible.  I ran it for quite a few years as a file server and backup server be=
fore retiring it and moving things up to the cloud.  I know there is still a =
server essentuals package that is based on the old WHS UI but I don't know if=
 its suitable for home/small business  use anymore.
Ryan

=EF=BB=BF-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:11 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

    Hi,

    There are also some small DBs on there in the backend so any changes you =
make may not be persistent.  This is why an API entrypoint would be better th=
an SSH in my view, then having tools to connect over the API.  I manage sever=
al Linux boxes running custom software appliances but SSH isn't really useful=
 on any of them, but they all have good APIs and PowerShell modules so we can=
 do the necessary work from the CLI.

    Andrew.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Nestrud <ccn(a)chrisnestrud.com>
    Sent: 23 January 2019 22:01
    To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

    The web interface seems to call several not-so-well-documented programs.
    Many start with 'syno'. For example I believe synoshare lets you manipula=
te network shares. Other than that you can use standard tools such as lvresiz=
e for adding space to existing logical volumes.

    It's probably easier to take a few minutes to become familiar with the od=
dities of the web interface though.

    Chris

    On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:29:18PM -0000, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
    > Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is
    > how to perform the functions of the web interface via the command line
    > once signed into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they
    > call DSM, is Linux based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I
    > suppose Synology wouldn't like us fiddling with things as it would comp=
licate their support model.
    >
    > If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the
    > Linux command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interest=
ed.
    >
    > As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not
    > nice at all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor
    > usage to get everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward.
    > That's' why I'd love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
    >
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Phil.
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
    > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like
    > the features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell
    > interface but there we go.
    >
    > You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there
    > is a certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
    >
    > Andrew.
    > ________________________________________
    > From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
    > To: Blind sysadmins list
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am
    > thinking of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
    >
    > Tim
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
    > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
    > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file
    > server
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I
    > personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that
    > was just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters
    > these days anyway as they all use very similar technology.
    >
    > Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable
    > more services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once=
).
    >
    > Andrew.
    > ________________________________________
    > From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins
    > [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
    > Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
    > To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
    > Cc: Katherine M. Moss
    > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
    >
    > Hi all,
    > I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm
    > trying to set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have
    > Windows server
    > 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is
    > better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due
    > to the compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it,
    > though I firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in
    > Windows to be disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet
    > for enterprise-class networks stating that Unraid is surely a more
    > secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a small business
    > network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real world.)
    > Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the
    > two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage
    > space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer spee=
ds, performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
    > Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
    > especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks
    > for any input. Much appreciated.
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan 24 14:31:34 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Some backup and UEFI questions
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 09:31:26 -0500
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I'm performing background research, and asking questions on mailing lists, in
preparation for an attempt to install Linux alongside the existing Windows
environment on my Lenovo P51 laptop.

What are the most accessible options for creating a backup of the existing
drive and its Windows partitions, before I make changes?

I've installed several distributions of Linux before, but on BIOS-based
systems, and without another operating system installed. UEFI and Secure Boot
complicate the situation. I've asked on a Linux User's Group list as well, bu=
t  any suggestions that subscribers here can offer (or good links taht I might
any advice that subscribers here can offer, or links to good references taht I
may not ahve found, would be welcome.

The laptop also has Intel Management Engine firmware, but it hasn't been
configured. It may enable the UEFI menus to be made accessible - but I haven't
looked into the details yet.

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From simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Thu Jan 24 15:25:03 2019
From: Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:24:53 +0000
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Hi,

For backing up a complete drive i use Clonezilla.
Works well and is accessible.

Clonezilla Live boots off a usb stick or cd.
Its basically debian with an automatically starting clonezilla.

https://clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=3Dtesting

Greetings,
Simon

Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen

Simon Eigeldinger
Informatik
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h und nur f=C3=BCr den/die Adressaten bestimmt.

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.o=
rg>=20
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. J=C3=A4nner 2019 15:31
An: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Some backup and UEFI questions

I'm performing background research, and asking questions on mailing lists, in
preparation for an attempt to install Linux alongside the existing Windows
environment on my Lenovo P51 laptop.

What are the most accessible options for creating a backup of the existing
drive and its Windows partitions, before I make changes?

I've installed several distributions of Linux before, but on BIOS-based
systems, and without another operating system installed. UEFI and Secure Boot
complicate the situation. I've asked on a Linux User's Group list as well, bu=
t  any suggestions that subscribers here can offer (or good links taht I might
any advice that subscribers here can offer, or links to good references taht I
may not ahve found, would be welcome.

The laptop also has Intel Management Engine firmware, but it hasn't been
configured. It may enable the UEFI menus to be made accessible - but I haven't
looked into the details yet.
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From simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Thu Jan 24 15:25:20 2019
From: Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:25:10 +0000
Message-ID: <593ea7da13c34057b8bbb45281961746@hohenems.at>
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Hi,

For backing up a complete drive i use Clonezilla.
Works well and is accessible.

Clonezilla Live boots off a usb stick or cd.
Its basically debian with an automatically starting clonezilla.

https://clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=3Dtesting

Greetings,
Simon
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.o=
rg>=20
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. J=C3=A4nner 2019 15:31
An: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Some backup and UEFI questions

I'm performing background research, and asking questions on mailing lists, in
preparation for an attempt to install Linux alongside the existing Windows
environment on my Lenovo P51 laptop.

What are the most accessible options for creating a backup of the existing
drive and its Windows partitions, before I make changes?

I've installed several distributions of Linux before, but on BIOS-based
systems, and without another operating system installed. UEFI and Secure Boot
complicate the situation. I've asked on a Linux User's Group list as well, bu=
t  any suggestions that subscribers here can offer (or good links taht I might
any advice that subscribers here can offer, or links to good references taht I
may not ahve found, would be welcome.

The laptop also has Intel Management Engine firmware, but it hasn't been
configured. It may enable the UEFI menus to be made accessible - but I haven't
looked into the details yet.
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From Fernando.Botelho@F123.org Thu Jan 24 15:35:31 2019
From: Fernando Botelho <Fernando.Botelho@F123.org>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:35:22 -0200
Message-ID: <c85560f1-d4fa-1956-cf49-1ee8521226a5@F123.org>
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If you are confortable with Linux, you can use dd for entire drives, and=20
later on, storeBackup for more routine backup operations. People like=20
rsync a lot, but storeBackup is an entirely new level of features,=20
including incremental backups and much more. All available via command line.


Fernando



On 01/24/2019 01:25 PM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For backing up a complete drive i use Clonezilla.
> Works well and is accessible.
>
> Clonezilla Live boots off a usb stick or cd.
> Its basically debian with an automatically starting clonezilla.
>
> https://clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=3Dtesting
>
> Greetings,
> Simon
> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily=
.org>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. J=C3=A4nner 2019 15:31
> An: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Some backup and UEFI questions
>
> I'm performing background research, and asking questions on mailing lists, =
in
> preparation for an attempt to install Linux alongside the existing Windows
> environment on my Lenovo P51 laptop.
>
> What are the most accessible options for creating a backup of the existing
> drive and its Windows partitions, before I make changes?
>
> I've installed several distributions of Linux before, but on BIOS-based
> systems, and without another operating system installed. UEFI and Secure Bo=
ot
> complicate the situation. I've asked on a Linux User's Group list as well, =
but  any suggestions that subscribers here can offer (or good links taht I mi=
ght
> any advice that subscribers here can offer, or links to good references tah=
t I
> may not ahve found, would be welcome.
>
> The laptop also has Intel Management Engine firmware, but it hasn't been
> configured. It may enable the UEFI menus to be made accessible - but I have=
n't
> looked into the details yet.
> _______________________________________________
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan 24 15:38:50 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 10:38:44 -0500
Message-ID: <20190124153843.3zd44exckp7d2ffm@jm.jasonjgw.net>
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Thanks - excellent suggestions. I'm definitely comfortable with the Linux
command line, having used it since 1998 (and SunOS/Solaris for a while before
then).

Fernando Botelho <Fernando.Botelho(a)F123.org> wrote:
> If you are confortable with Linux, you can use dd for entire drives, and
> later on, storeBackup for more routine backup operations. People like rsync
> a lot, but storeBackup is an entirely new level of features, including
> incremental backups and much more. All available via command line.
>=20
>=20
> Fernando
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 01/24/2019 01:25 PM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > For backing up a complete drive i use Clonezilla.
> > Works well and is accessible.
> >=20
> > Clonezilla Live boots off a usb stick or cd.
> > Its basically debian with an automatically starting clonezilla.
> >=20
> > https://clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=3Dtesting
> >=20
> > Greetings,
> > Simon
> > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfami=
ly.org>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. J=C3=A4nner 2019 15:31
> > An: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> > Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> > Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Some backup and UEFI questions
> >=20
> > I'm performing background research, and asking questions on mailing lists=
, in
> > preparation for an attempt to install Linux alongside the existing Windows
> > environment on my Lenovo P51 laptop.
> >=20
> > What are the most accessible options for creating a backup of the existing
> > drive and its Windows partitions, before I make changes?
> >=20
> > I've installed several distributions of Linux before, but on BIOS-based
> > systems, and without another operating system installed. UEFI and Secure =
Boot
> > complicate the situation. I've asked on a Linux User's Group list as well=
, but  any suggestions that subscribers here can offer (or good links taht I =
might
> > any advice that subscribers here can offer, or links to good references t=
aht I
> > may not ahve found, would be welcome.
> >=20
> > The laptop also has Intel Management Engine firmware, but it hasn't been
> > configured. It may enable the UEFI menus to be made accessible - but I ha=
ven't
> > looked into the details yet.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfami=
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>=20

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From jheim@math.wisc.edu Thu Jan 24 16:08:54 2019
From: John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 10:08:46 -0600
Message-ID: <5072e205-7bdc-1ac2-1992-eccce301f36c@math.wisc.edu>
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I don't know. Do you think zfs is so much better that it is worth=20
dictating which operating system you use? We use xfs on the file server=20
at the Math department at the University Of Wisconsin. Last time I=20
rebuilt our file server, I switched us from ext4 to xfs. But I think=20
either would really have been fine.

I do rue the day I switched us from debian to ubuntu server though.





On 1/23/19 5:22 PM, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins wrote:
> I would expect the ZFS support in FreeBSD to be better, although apparently
> the Linux version (outside of the mainline kernel due to license
> compatibility issues) is now what the other operating systems have decided
> to work from in future releases.
>=20
> ZFS is reputedly very good (data check sums, copy-on-write, redundancy if
> you have multiple drives, etc.). I suppose my recommendation is really for
> ZFS, and if you want to take the ZFS for Linux route with a separately
> compiled kernel module, that option seems to be open too.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Mann <rmann(a)cvicentralflorida.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:05 PM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> Out of curiosity, why would you suggest Free BSD over Linux?  For a blind
> person, aren't the choices for Free BSD to have a machine with a serial port
> or get sighted assistance to install it?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Ryan Mann
> Computer Instructor/IT Specialist
> Center For The Visually Impaired
> DaytonaBeach, FL 32114
> Phone: 386-253-8879 EXT 111
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
> [mailto:blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:57 PM
> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
>=20
> I would be inclined to suggest obtaining a small machine, adding drives to
> it, installing FreeBSD, setting up zfs, editing configuration files for
> Samba, nfs or whatever you need... and the problem goes away.
>=20
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Jan 24 16:15:18 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:15:11 -0500
Message-ID: <20190124161511.rbgksnhn2ld52urp@jm.jasonjgw.net>
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I've used XFS in the past, very comfortably for both running systems and
backup purposes. ZFS is better (how much that matters depends on your needs),
and the licensing situation is unfortunate.
John G Heim <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote:
> I don't know. Do you think zfs is so much better that it is worth dictating
> which operating system you use? We use xfs on the file server at the Math
> department at the University Of Wisconsin. Last time I rebuilt our file
> server, I switched us from ext4 to xfs. But I think either would really have
> been fine.
>=20
> I do rue the day I switched us from debian to ubuntu server though.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 1/23/19 5:22 PM, Jason White via Blind-sysadmins wrote:
> > I would expect the ZFS support in FreeBSD to be better, although apparent=
ly
> > the Linux version (outside of the mainline kernel due to license
> > compatibility issues) is now what the other operating systems have decided
> > to work from in future releases.
> >=20
> > ZFS is reputedly very good (data check sums, copy-on-write, redundancy if
> > you have multiple drives, etc.). I suppose my recommendation is really for
> > ZFS, and if you want to take the ZFS for Linux route with a separately
> > compiled kernel module, that option seems to be open too.
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ryan Mann <rmann(a)cvicentralflorida.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:05 PM
> > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
> >=20
> > Out of curiosity, why would you suggest Free BSD over Linux?  For a blind
> > person, aren't the choices for Free BSD to have a machine with a serial p=
ort
> > or get sighted assistance to install it?
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Ryan Mann
> > Computer Instructor/IT Specialist
> > Center For The Visually Impaired
> > DaytonaBeach, FL 32114
> > Phone: 386-253-8879 EXT 111
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:57 PM
> > To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> > Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
> >=20
> > I would be inclined to suggest obtaining a small machine, adding drives to
> > it, installing FreeBSD, setting up zfs, editing configuration files for
> > Samba, nfs or whatever you need... and the problem goes away.
> >=20
> > _______________________________________________
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> > To unsubscribe send an email to
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Jan 25 00:00:33 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 19:00:09 -0500
Message-ID: <00ad01d4b440$f0217c60$d0647520$@jasonjgw.net>
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There's also an interesting list of tools here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning

If I use dd, I might not need to decrypt the NTFS partitions, which are
protected by BitLocker. However, this would also involve copying the entire
drive - including all of the free space (most of the capacity of the 1TB SSD
at this point). Writing to a compressed file is an option, of course, which
should at least compress the free space, although the entire disk would
still need to be read. At least the SSD does have an NVM-Express interface.

With the other backup tools, so far as I've determined, I would need to
decrypt the partitions for them to access the NTFS file systems.

I'm still thinking about it...

-----Original Message-----
From: Fernando Botelho <fhfbotelho(a)gmail.com> On Behalf Of Fernando Botelho
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 10:35 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions

If you are confortable with Linux, you can use dd for entire drives, and
later on, storeBackup for more routine backup operations. People like rsync
a lot, but storeBackup is an entirely new level of features, including
incremental backups and much more. All available via command line.


Fernando



On 01/24/2019 01:25 PM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For backing up a complete drive i use Clonezilla.
> Works well and is accessible.
>
> Clonezilla Live boots off a usb stick or cd.
> Its basically debian with an automatically starting clonezilla.
>
> https://clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=testing
>
> Greetings,
> Simon
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins 
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Jänner 2019 15:31
> An: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Some backup and UEFI questions
>
> I'm performing background research, and asking questions on mailing 
> lists, in preparation for an attempt to install Linux alongside the 
> existing Windows environment on my Lenovo P51 laptop.
>
> What are the most accessible options for creating a backup of the 
> existing drive and its Windows partitions, before I make changes?
>
> I've installed several distributions of Linux before, but on 
> BIOS-based systems, and without another operating system installed. 
> UEFI and Secure Boot complicate the situation. I've asked on a Linux 
> User's Group list as well, but  any suggestions that subscribers here 
> can offer (or good links taht I might any advice that subscribers here can
offer, or links to good references taht I may not ahve found, would be
welcome.
>
> The laptop also has Intel Management Engine firmware, but it hasn't 
> been configured. It may enable the UEFI menus to be made accessible - 
> but I haven't looked into the details yet.
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From philrigby62@gmail.com Fri Jan 25 17:57:52 2019
From: philrigby62@gmail.com
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:57:31 +0000
Message-ID: <003d01d4b4d7$71cb8a80$55629f80$@gmail.com>
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How wise you sound. However, it isn't half as much fun as trying to dig into
how it really works at the Linux level. Yes, I got as far as finding a few
syno commands but the problem seems to be that all the config done through
the web interface is stashed away in a config db that gets used during start
up to ensure the thing 100% complies with what was done through the GUI
interface. A perfectly fair thing to do I know but a pain for nosy people
like me who want to find a command line alternative to doing everything that
is done by the GUI. By the way, it is a bit more than "a few minutes" to
find your way round the GUI to do all the things you need to do. Of course
I, like anyone on this list, am perfectly capable of using the GUI, using
NVDA where that is better and JAWS when that is better. It was just that I
was curious if it could somehow all be done from the Linux shell.

Anyway, thanks for the comments.


Cheers,
Phil.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nestrud <ccn(a)chrisnestrud.com> 
Sent: 23 January 2019 22:01
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology

The web interface seems to call several not-so-well-documented programs.
Many start with 'syno'. For example I believe synoshare lets you manipulate
network shares. Other than that you can use standard tools such as lvresize
for adding space to existing logical volumes.

It's probably easier to take a few minutes to become familiar with the
oddities of the web interface though.

Chris

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:29:18PM -0000, philrigby62(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Powershell interface? All I want, but cannot find anything about, is 
> how to perform the functions of the web interface via the command line 
> once signed into the Synology via ssh. After all, the OS, which they 
> call DSM, is Linux based. This seems to be a well-kept secret. I 
> suppose Synology wouldn't like us fiddling with things as it would
complicate their support model.
> 
> If anyone has any info on doing things with a Synology NAS via the 
> Linux command line of the Synology NAS itself, I would be very interested.
> 
> As Andrew says, the web interface is just about usable but it is not 
> nice at all to use. Lots of JAWS application mode and JAWS cursor 
> usage to get everything done that is needed. It works but is awkward. 
> That's' why I'd love to know how to do it all from the Linux shell.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Phil.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:47
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: changed subject: synology
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It is fairly strange to use it but I have got used to it now and like 
> the features.  It would be better if there was an API or PowerShell 
> interface but there we go.
> 
> You have to use the tab and arrow keys in application mode and there 
> is a certain amount of fiddling required in some specific areas.
> 
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Timothy Spaulding [spaulding(a)icanbrew.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 16:44
> To: Blind sysadmins list
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] changed subject: synology
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How do you like the interface to configure your Synology box?  I am 
> thinking of replacing my old QNAP with a Synology RackStation.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07 AM
> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file 
> server
> 
> Hi,
> 
> UnRaid I don't believe is free so you would have to purchase that.  I 
> personally use Synology for ages for the NAS and iSCSI target but that 
> was just my personal preference.  I don't really think it matters 
> these days anyway as they all use very similar technology.
> 
> Bear in mind Unraid and some of the home like NAS boxes may enable 
> more services (yes I did see an iSCSI box serving an iTunes server once).
> 
> Andrew.
> ________________________________________
> From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins 
> [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org]
> Sent: 23 January 2019 13:26
> To: 'blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org'
> Cc: Katherine M. Moss
> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Unraid VS. Windows server 2019 file server
> 
> Hi all,
> I've been scouring the internet for any information on this. I'm 
> trying to set up a file server for my home lab, and while I do have 
> Windows server
> 2019 via a visual studio subscription, somebody told me that Unraid is 
> better for a file server from a security standpoint. States it's due 
> to the compatibility and legacy support that Windows carries with it, 
> though I firmly believed all of the unsecure storage options in 
> Windows to be disabled by default? I can find nothing on the internet 
> for enterprise-class networks stating that Unraid is surely a more 
> secure option. (yes, it's a lab, but it's set up like a small business 
> network to mimic what would be potentially found in the real world.) 
> Also, when comparing Unraid to Windows storage spaces, seems like the 
> two do the same thing. My current server is set up with a storage 
> space, and I've never had any issues with him in terms of transfer speeds,
performance, or anything else. Any input would be great.
> Most other folks I've gone to seem to be leaning towards Windows ...
> especially with Windows server core, which my server would be. Thanks 
> for any input. Much appreciated.
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From jason@jasonjgw.net Sat Jan 26 20:47:21 2019
From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 15:47:04 -0500
Message-ID: <001601d4b5b8$4bd29990$e377ccb0$@jasonjgw.net>
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It turned out that Clonezilla was available on the Arch Linux installation
medium. It detected the NTFS file systems and took a backup of the system
drive to an external hard drive that I had with an XFS file system on it.

For those who are not on the Orca mailing list where this was announced, the
latest (slightly unofficial) Talking Arch can be found at
http://talkingarch.info/

It loads Speakup for speech, and BRLTTY for braille, then leaves you at a
root shell prompt.

I needed help to turn off Secure Boot in the firmware settings of the
machine, but that was the only accessibility issue so far.

My next steps will be to try to shrink the main Windows partition so that I
can install Linux on the free space.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:00 PM
To: Fernando.Botelho(a)F123.org; 'Blind sysadmins list'
<blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions

There's also an interesting list of tools here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning

If I use dd, I might not need to decrypt the NTFS partitions, which are
protected by BitLocker. However, this would also involve copying the entire
drive - including all of the free space (most of the capacity of the 1TB SSD
at this point). Writing to a compressed file is an option, of course, which
should at least compress the free space, although the entire disk would
still need to be read. At least the SSD does have an NVM-Express interface.

With the other backup tools, so far as I've determined, I would need to
decrypt the partitions for them to access the NTFS file systems.

I'm still thinking about it...

-----Original Message-----
From: Fernando Botelho <fhfbotelho(a)gmail.com> On Behalf Of Fernando Botelho
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 10:35 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Some backup and UEFI questions

If you are confortable with Linux, you can use dd for entire drives, and
later on, storeBackup for more routine backup operations. People like rsync
a lot, but storeBackup is an entirely new level of features, including
incremental backups and much more. All available via command line.


Fernando



On 01/24/2019 01:25 PM, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For backing up a complete drive i use Clonezilla.
> Works well and is accessible.
>
> Clonezilla Live boots off a usb stick or cd.
> Its basically debian with an automatically starting clonezilla.
>
> https://clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=testing
>
> Greetings,
> Simon
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins
> <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Jänner 2019 15:31
> An: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org
> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net>
> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Some backup and UEFI questions
>
> I'm performing background research, and asking questions on mailing 
> lists, in preparation for an attempt to install Linux alongside the 
> existing Windows environment on my Lenovo P51 laptop.
>
> What are the most accessible options for creating a backup of the 
> existing drive and its Windows partitions, before I make changes?
>
> I've installed several distributions of Linux before, but on 
> BIOS-based systems, and without another operating system installed.
> UEFI and Secure Boot complicate the situation. I've asked on a Linux 
> User's Group list as well, but  any suggestions that subscribers here 
> can offer (or good links taht I might any advice that subscribers here 
> can
offer, or links to good references taht I may not ahve found, would be
welcome.
>
> The laptop also has Intel Management Engine firmware, but it hasn't 
> been configured. It may enable the UEFI menus to be made accessible - 
> but I haven't looked into the details yet.
> _______________________________________________
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From core7xx@gmail.com Sat Jan 26 23:06:49 2019
From: Zameer Mahomed <core7xx@gmail.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] adding a second NIC to VM
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 01:06:43 +0200
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Hi Listers,

 

Firstly, I'd like to thank all who responded to my question regarding
backup, which leads me to the following situation:

 

For those who use, or have used VMware workstation,

 

I have a NAS that has 2 network interfaces.

The first interface is used to connect to the Internet over a powerline
adapter.

The second interface is directly connected to my PC  for fast file
transfers.

I've assigned the second interface an IP of 169.254.100.100

which is in the autoconfiguration range.

On my host, I am able to access my nas, However, I'd like to access my nas
directly from a virtual machine using VMware workstation.

I've added a network of VMNet2

I've bridged VMNet 2 the physical NIC which is connected to my NAS.

I've added a virtual NIC under the settings for the specific VM.

in the VM, under IPV4, I've given the virtual NIC a static IP in the
169.254.100 range and set the gateway to point to the same IP of the second
interface on my nas.

 

I can ping my NAS, but can't access it in file explorer.

 

I'm not sure what I might be doing wrong? Help would be much appreciated.

 

Kind Regards


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From ccn@chrisnestrud.com Mon Jan 28 15:43:19 2019
From: Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Log analysis and event correllation
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 09:43:01 -0600
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Has anyone had experience with large-scale log analysis using ELK,
Greylog, or something similar? Anything that I should know in terms of
accessibility? I'm already pretty familiar with Splunk.

Chris

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From billy.irwin@outlook.com Mon Jan 28 16:31:56 2019
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Log analysis and event correlation
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 16:31:43 +0000
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Hi,

I used Grey Log and it was very much accessible in it's entirety. I had no is=
sues to speak of. It is a great solution for dealing with large quantities of=
 equipment connecting to it as a SysLog server.

Good Luck,

Billy

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From: Chris Nestrud <ccn(a)chrisnestrud.com>=20
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:43 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Log analysis and event correllation

Has anyone had experience with large-scale log analysis using ELK,
Greylog, or something similar? Anything that I should know in terms of
accessibility? I'm already pretty familiar with Splunk.

Chris
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From billy.irwin@outlook.com Tue Jan 29 22:01:12 2019
From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Equipment for Interview
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:00:58 +0000
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Hi All,

I am scheduled next week for an interview with a local organization. They pro=
vided me with some details that I will need to perform specific tasks on some=
 equipment. Have any of you had any dealings with these below as it relates t=
o their accessibility in their interfaces.

Palo Alto Firewalls
Enterasys Switches

They also have a consumer grade router in the mix but I am not too worried ab=
out that.

Any feedback is appreciated.

Best,

Billy

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From kprescott@coolip.net Wed Jan 30 02:51:11 2019
From: Kelly Prescott <kprescott@coolip.net>
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Equipment for Interview
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:49:42 -0500
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Palo Alto Firewalls can be done on the command-line.


On Tue, 29 Jan 2019, Billy Irwin wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am scheduled next week for an interview with a local organization. They p=
rovided me with some details that I will need to perform specific tasks on so=
me equipment. Have any of you had any dealings with these below as it relates=
 to their accessibility in their interfaces.
>
> Palo Alto Firewalls
> Enterasys Switches
>
> They also have a consumer grade router in the mix but I am not too worried =
about that.
>
> Any feedback is appreciated.
>
> Best,
>
> Billy
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