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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts
by Frank Ventura 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Andrew, what do you think is our best bet for accessible virtualization? What do you use? I liked VPC 2007 but I believe that there is no versionof that that can handle a 64 bit guest. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:13 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi, As I don't use Vmware workstation I couldn't comment, I just forwarded it for information purposes. I tend not to install extra JFW scripts anyway, and make do with the out of box experience. Thanks. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart [rshugart(a)pcisys.net] Sent: 29 September 2009 00:32 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I don't use JFW so these scripts won't be of any use to me, but I use Workstation heavily every day, and haven't found it that in accessible, there's nothing I've found I can't get to at worse with the mouse. So I'm curious, what do these scripts let me access that I can't currently? I'd honestly much rather see scripts for the VIC, because while you can still navigate with the mouse, it takes a lot longer for a blind person than it would for a sighted person to perform similar tasks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40(a)googlemail.com MSN: ch9675(a)hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! Messenger: christopherh40(a)yahoo.com Klango: chrishallsworth __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4465 (20090928) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Vinux Development Forum" group. 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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Virtualization for the blind, was: RE: Possible Vmware JFW scripts
by Frank Ventura 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Ryan, thanks. I may give Hyper-V a look at some point in time but after reading your post about Workstation I think I may want to investigate that first. VPC is easy to use but is getting long in the tooth with its lack of 64 bit support. thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org on behalf of Ryan Shugart Sent: Tue 9/29/2009 9:51 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Virtualization for the blind, was: RE: Possible Vmware JFW scripts Frank: A friend of mine used HyperV and said it was all just basic MMC stuff and worked pretty well from an accessibility standpoint. There's no sound emulation in HyperV or VMWare, mainly because these products are designed to emulate servers and be used in data center environments where you wouldn't have local access to the server anyway. VMWare's desktop products, Workstation and Player, both do sound emulation. Microsoft's Virtual PC does as well, but the latest Virtual PC basically uses an RDP connection to give you access to the VM, so its sound support isn't as relyable as VMWare's, but its good enough. Actually in the IT world I know, HyperV has gotten a look because its free, but most of the IT people I know once they look at HyperV closely don't think it compares well to VMWare's ESX product, or even the free ESXI product. I think its more that HyperV is new in the market compared to VMWare, so has to catch up more. In a few years I'm sure it will be there, but most people I've talked to say its just not mature enough for production yet. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:20 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Virtualization for the blind, was: RE: Possible Vmware JFW scripts What about Hyper-V, how accessible is that for blind folks like us? That seems to be a much bigger buzz word around IT then VMWare right now? Is sound emulation still not available in Hype-V? Has anyone tried the free version from MS or the bundled version in Win 2008? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:33 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I don't use JFW so these scripts won't be of any use to me, but I use Workstation heavily every day, and haven't found it that in accessible, there's nothing I've found I can't get to at worse with the mouse. So I'm curious, what do these scripts let me access that I can't currently? I'd honestly much rather see scripts for the VIC, because while you can still navigate with the mouse, it takes a lot longer for a blind person than it would for a sighted person to perform similar tasks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40(a)googlemail.com MSN: ch9675(a)hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! Messenger: christopherh40(a)yahoo.com Klango: chrishallsworth __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4465 (20090928) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Vinux Development Forum" group. 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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts
by Frank Ventura 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Hi Ryan, I was not aware that you can point Workstation at a CD (can it be a DVD?) and it will do an automated install of the OS. Does the ISO Image or CD have to have the unattended install file on it or can it just be the usual factory retail install CD. If I crate a VM in workstation on physical machine x, can I just move it over to physical machine y and have it work, like I can with VPC's .VHD files? What operating systems are supported for that automated install trick? Where can I find this documented? I the case of something like Microsoft's SBS if I pointed Workstation at the DVD how far into the instllation does it get? How would it know what the domain and local machine names should be? Sorry for the bunch of questions but I wasn't aware of this and it may be a great concept. thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org on behalf of Ryan Shugart Sent: Tue 9/29/2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I've found Workstation very worth the money honestly. It's a really good product, and actually offers some features that would benefit a blind person. The biggest being when you create a new VM, you can point Workstation at the ISO image or CD of the OS you will use to install your VM, and Workstation will detect the OS and install it automatically, as well as load the appropriate version of VMWare tools. You can literly run through the new VM wizard, power on your VM, come back in a few minutes and have a working, with sound, virtual machine ready for screen reader installation. A very big deal in my book. If Workstation is still to expensive, give Player a look. Right now it will only read virtual machines made in Workstation, but my understanding is the next release will be more of a free Workstation light than just Player. Honestly on the whole I'm very pleased with VMWare's products. The VIC needs some work, but on a technical standpoint they're very sound. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi, Personally I have a test ESXI3 host that I use to do my tests on, at some point I want to get a 64-bit machine at work and use Windows 7 and the MS virtualization stuff with that or Vmware workstation (though that may be pricy for us). Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 29 September 2009 12:22 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew, what do you think is our best bet for accessible virtualization? What do you use? I liked VPC 2007 but I believe that there is no versionof that that can handle a 64 bit guest. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:13 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi, As I don't use Vmware workstation I couldn't comment, I just forwarded it for information purposes. I tend not to install extra JFW scripts anyway, and make do with the out of box experience. Thanks. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart [rshugart(a)pcisys.net] Sent: 29 September 2009 00:32 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I don't use JFW so these scripts won't be of any use to me, but I use Workstation heavily every day, and haven't found it that in accessible, there's nothing I've found I can't get to at worse with the mouse. So I'm curious, what do these scripts let me access that I can't currently? I'd honestly much rather see scripts for the VIC, because while you can still navigate with the mouse, it takes a lot longer for a blind person than it would for a sighted person to perform similar tasks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40(a)googlemail.com MSN: ch9675(a)hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! Messenger: christopherh40(a)yahoo.com Klango: chrishallsworth __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4465 (20090928) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Vinux Development Forum" group. 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Virtualization for the blind, was: RE: Possible Vmware JFW scripts
by Frank Ventura 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

What about Hyper-V, how accessible is that for blind folks like us? That seems to be a much bigger buzz word around IT then VMWare right now? Is sound emulation still not available in Hype-V? Has anyone tried the free version from MS or the bundled version in Win 2008? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:33 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I don't use JFW so these scripts won't be of any use to me, but I use Workstation heavily every day, and haven't found it that in accessible, there's nothing I've found I can't get to at worse with the mouse. So I'm curious, what do these scripts let me access that I can't currently? I'd honestly much rather see scripts for the VIC, because while you can still navigate with the mouse, it takes a lot longer for a blind person than it would for a sighted person to perform similar tasks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40(a)googlemail.com MSN: ch9675(a)hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! Messenger: christopherh40(a)yahoo.com Klango: chrishallsworth __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4465 (20090928) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Vinux Development Forum" group. To post to this group, send email to vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vinux-development+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-development?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Possible Vmware JFW scripts
by Andrew Hodgson 28 Sep '09

28 Sep '09

Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40(a)googlemail.com MSN: ch9675(a)hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! Messenger: christopherh40(a)yahoo.com Klango: chrishallsworth __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4465 (20090928) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Vinux Development Forum" group. To post to this group, send email to vinux-development(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vinux-development+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vinux-development?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

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Win 2k3 64 and screen readers
by Frank Ventura 26 Sep '09

26 Sep '09

Hi all, I have inherited the responsibility of managing a Dell PE 2900 with Win 2k3. Since it has 8 gigs of memory I assume it is the 64 bit version of Win 2k3. Does anyone know what screen reader(s) I can get to work on it. Can the 64 bit version of JFW work in this scenario? Also on a related note if I have the service tag from the server is there anywhere on the Dell site where I can punch it in and find out just what equipment it was built with? Thanks Frank

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers
by Frank Ventura 26 Sep '09

26 Sep '09

Ryan, thanks. I haven't gotten my hands on the box yet so I am not sure. I know it wouldn't be Data center edition but Enterprise x86 ... hmm, maybe. It is an ex web server being demoted to file server duties. I will pretty much have carte blanche to manage it so I wonder if I cannot get a screen reader on it could I upgrade to Win2k8 Std 64 bit? Would there be drivers for that install? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi Frank: I don't know about JAWS, but Window-Eyes will absolutely not work. You'll need Vista or later because they only have a 64-bit mirror driver. Do you know what the server does, what software's installed on it, etc.? If the server is running Windows 2003 Enterprise or Datacenter, then even the 32-bit version will work with the 8GB of memory, I'm not entirely sure how or why that's possible, but I think the 32-bit version of Enterprise supports up to 12GB, and Datacenter supports up to 64GB. I'd need to do some research to find the exact numbers though. I know a lot of people stuck to the 32-bit version of 2003 due to compatability purposes, a lot of non Microsoft apps just didn't like 64-bit Windows back in the days of 2003. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi all, I have inherited the responsibility of managing a Dell PE 2900 with Win 2k3. Since it has 8 gigs of memory I assume it is the 64 bit version of Win 2k3. Does anyone know what screen reader(s) I can get to work on it. Can the 64 bit version of JFW work in this scenario? Also on a related note if I have the service tag from the server is there anywhere on the Dell site where I can punch it in and find out just what equipment it was built with? Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers
by Frank Ventura 26 Sep '09

26 Sep '09

Scott, thanks, I will check out the Dell support site. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:42 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi, not sure on the screen reader bit I have only run JFW64 under Vista. On the Dell part, you can browse to http://www.dell.com click on support and enter the service tag in the service tag field on the support site. One of the options is to display the system configuration. The other nice thing is you know all the drivers are matched. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" <Frank.Ventura(a)littlebreezes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi all, I have inherited the responsibility of managing a Dell PE 2900 with Win 2k3. Since it has 8 gigs of memory I assume it is the 64 bit version of Win 2k3. Does anyone know what screen reader(s) I can get to work on it. Can the 64 bit version of JFW work in this scenario? Also on a related note if I have the service tag from the server is there anywhere on the Dell site where I can punch it in and find out just what equipment it was built with? Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyoneelsenoticing Cisco becominglessandlessaccessible?
by Frank Ventura 26 Sep '09

26 Sep '09

Oh, OK that makes sense. At least they were responsive to your query. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:53 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyoneelsenoticing Cisco becominglessandlessaccessible? Ok, so I figured out the difference. Some of the stuff like the partial releases is available via URL with the same system that was in place in the past. That works fine. IF you have content on the new DL manager though like the major releases, linksys firmware, vpn clients, and most widely distributed production items you'll be out of luck. Good news is though a non Java version is on the way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" <Frank.Ventura(a)littlebreezes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandlessaccessible? I had the same experience, maybe the U.K. site is doing something different. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:44 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, so I tried again and this didn't work for me, wonder what I'm doing wrong. I browse over to the site, log in, select download, security, asa software, the version I want then a warning screen with no text pops up which I close then the download manager screen opens with no text other than the contact / feedback buttons. I then close that and pick the click here if your dl doesn't start button and the whole thing repeats. What did I miss?:) Thanks Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, That is correct, just click on the item you want to expand then refresh the screen. It will pick up the expanded items. Not perfect but doable. Our helpdesk system at work uses a similar system. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 18:10 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Really, so when I used the jfw cursor I didn't find any indicators at all. Maybe thewarning for cryptographic export or something got in the way? I'll give it another shot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Hi, I needed to use the download manager today actually. It is sort of usable if you use the Jaws cursor and do continued Jaws refresh commands. I was downloading an IOS image. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 17:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? John, count me in! I have been a network engineer since 1992 and a Cisco user for the entire time period. Cisco used to be great including offering to braille documentation but that level of service has fallen off since they grew from a small splinter group from Stanford in to a massive enterprise. My particular problems are the download manager for their software images on their web site is unusable, tools like the ASDM don't work with screen readers and the ONS15454 config tool is java based and not hugely friendly. Sometimes there is a CLI option which is great like in the case of the ASA hardware and ASDM but things like the downloads not being available is just a real pisser and makes life difficult. I shouldn't have to have my coworker download something for me.:) Anyone else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? It was for problems like this that I started the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, I can write a letter to Cisco about the accessibility of their products. I'll need contact information at Cisco if anyone has that, a list of problems, and if possible, a group of blind users of Cisco products for the engineers to work with to address the problems. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible?
by Frank Ventura 25 Sep '09

25 Sep '09

I had the same experience, maybe the U.K. site is doing something different. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:44 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, so I tried again and this didn't work for me, wonder what I'm doing wrong. I browse over to the site, log in, select download, security, asa software, the version I want then a warning screen with no text pops up which I close then the download manager screen opens with no text other than the contact / feedback buttons. I then close that and pick the click here if your dl doesn't start button and the whole thing repeats. What did I miss?:) Thanks Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, That is correct, just click on the item you want to expand then refresh the screen. It will pick up the expanded items. Not perfect but doable. Our helpdesk system at work uses a similar system. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 18:10 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Really, so when I used the jfw cursor I didn't find any indicators at all. Maybe thewarning for cryptographic export or something got in the way? I'll give it another shot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Hi, I needed to use the download manager today actually. It is sort of usable if you use the Jaws cursor and do continued Jaws refresh commands. I was downloading an IOS image. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 17:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? John, count me in! I have been a network engineer since 1992 and a Cisco user for the entire time period. Cisco used to be great including offering to braille documentation but that level of service has fallen off since they grew from a small splinter group from Stanford in to a massive enterprise. My particular problems are the download manager for their software images on their web site is unusable, tools like the ASDM don't work with screen readers and the ONS15454 config tool is java based and not hugely friendly. Sometimes there is a CLI option which is great like in the case of the ASA hardware and ASDM but things like the downloads not being available is just a real pisser and makes life difficult. I shouldn't have to have my coworker download something for me.:) Anyone else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? It was for problems like this that I started the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, I can write a letter to Cisco about the accessibility of their products. I'll need contact information at Cisco if anyone has that, a list of problems, and if possible, a group of blind users of Cisco products for the engineers to work with to address the problems. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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