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freeNAS
by Philip Hall 15 Jan '14

15 Jan '14

I have been following with much interest the thread about accessible NAS devices or solutions. I came across a project called FreeNAS. It looks like it is based on FreeBSD. The primary interface after installation is via a web interface. Has anyone looked at this solution? Phil

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drobo 5n NAS device accessibility
by Philip Hall 15 Jan '14

15 Jan '14

Hi. Has anyone had any experience with the Drobo 5n NAS device? If so, how accessible is their dashboard application that runs on the pc? One reason I am looking at this particular NAS appliance is: Apparently it is possible to install ssh on the device and log in to administer the device. It runs Linux. Thanks Phil

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FW: [BCAB] Microsoft and GW tie up in Window-Eyes office initiative.
by Andrew Hodgson 15 Jan '14

15 Jan '14

Hi all, Very interesting development, especially as WindowEyes has in my view the best RDP support out there. Andrew. Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com<http://www.gwmicro.com>) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. "This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavour we are demonstrating Microsoft’s on-going commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com<http://www.WindowEyesForOffice.com>. The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com<http://www.gwmicro.com>) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing dan(a)gwmicro.com<mailto:dan@gwmicro.com> (260) 489-3671 All the best, Ibrahim. -- To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can bring, please visit our website: http://www.bcab.org.uk/ To manage your subscription to the BCAB mailing list, please visit our website: http://www.bcab.org.uk/bcab-discussion-list/ To discuss matters relating to the mailing list, please email moderator(a)bcab.org.uk.

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] FW: [BCAB] Microsoft and GW tie up in Window-Eyes office initiative.
by Chris Smart 15 Jan '14

15 Jan '14

Yes, very very interesting. That, plus NVDA, plus the Mac/VoiceOver competition must be making the shark look over its shoulder nervously. If I had the usability with a few specific applications with WE or NVDA that I currently enjoy with Jaws and some very extensive scripting, I would uh, jump the shark. LOL At 10:26 PM 1/14/2014, you wrote: >& I rather suspect upgrades won't be free, either. This might be an >absolutely stellar move on GW Micro's part. If the upgrade cost is >kept below $200, they might end up getting a whole bunch of folks who >downloaded W E to just pay the lower upgrade price & blow off JFW >entirely. It'll take a little time, i.e., about a year, but I could >see where they might end up getting a very significant infusion of >customers for their screenreader & cash into their coffers. I'm >actually rather impressed w/their logic. I think I'll get office 2010. >I saw a keycard for like $88 at Amazon. I just invested in a new >computer & knew I was likely gonna have to get a new/upgraded >screenreader & office suite as well. I was already lookin at Office >2010, but I thought the screenreader was gonna be Jaws 15. Guess what? >Guess not! > >Very brilliant tactical move on GW Micro's part, I do believe. > >On 1/14/14, Chris Smart <csmart8(a)cogeco.ca> wrote: > > At 06:01 PM 1/14/2014, you wrote: > > > >>How could GW make money from this? > > > > I'm guessing they get a very small fee for each copy, and the fact > > that is available to all means many more coppies will be sold. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > > >-- >Jackie McBride >Author of the Upcoming Book >"Beyond Baffled: the Technophobe's Guide to Creating a Website" >www.brighter-vision.com Where Visionaries & Technology Unite >Jaws Scripting training >www.screenreaderscripting.com > >_______________________________________________ >Blind-sysadmins mailing list >Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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FW: [BCAB] Microsoft and GW tie up in Window-Eyes office initiative.
by Andrew Hodgson 14 Jan '14

14 Jan '14

Hi all, Very interesting development, especially as WindowEyes has in my view the best RDP support out there. Andrew. Jan-14-2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com<http://www.gwmicro.com>) is proud to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have partnered to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. Window-Eyes is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or print disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer accessible via speech and/or Braille. To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and Microsoft have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 languages, to enable anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for free. Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually impaired in order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, this initiative between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for millions of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and more important as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other retinal degenerative diseases increases. "This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the changing perception of accessibility and also technology in general. Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are leading the way," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to their PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of assistive technology to many people. In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the changing face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and Microsoft have the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually impaired for the long term. Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavour we are demonstrating Microsoft’s on-going commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology and tools to help each person be productive in both their work and personal lives.” said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will be able to download a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at www.WindowEyesForOffice.com<http://www.WindowEyesForOffice.com>. The website provides download instructions as well as additional details about this offer. GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com<http://www.gwmicro.com>) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. Contact: Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing dan(a)gwmicro.com<mailto:dan@gwmicro.com> (260) 489-3671 All the best, Ibrahim. -- To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can bring, please visit our website: http://www.bcab.org.uk/ To manage your subscription to the BCAB mailing list, please visit our website: http://www.bcab.org.uk/bcab-discussion-list/ To discuss matters relating to the mailing list, please email moderator(a)bcab.org.uk.

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem
by Chris Smart 14 Jan '14

14 Jan '14

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap. Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive? and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time. At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote: >hello dears > >please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to >access it by data-back or another? >another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the >problem for me? > many thanks > >On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben(a)benmr.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD > > command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it > > doesn't have a gui. > > > > Cheers, > > Ben. > > > > On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> dear ben > >> thanks for your care > >> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you mentioned > >> another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? > >> sorry i've not background in such problems > >> thanks > >> > >> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben(a)benmr.com> wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB or > >>> larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to > >>> attempt to recover the files. > >>> > >>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to handle > >>> the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in mind > >>> that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get > >>> worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data recovery > >>> company if you require the data. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Ben. > >>> > >>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> hello sirs > >>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me > >>>> > >>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make back-up > >>>> for my data > >>>> it gave me unalocated disk > >>>> don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? > >>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. > >>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations fat32, > >>>> hard disk is data caple. > >>>> wait your guide if you please > >>>> thanks > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >>>> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >>> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > >_______________________________________________ >Blind-sysadmins mailing list >Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Accessible NAS box software
by Steve Matzura 14 Jan '14

14 Jan '14

I want to upgrade my network-attached storage devices' controlling software so they can support the newer larger 3TB drives, but alas, said software is no longer accessible, so it looks like I've got to spend more money and get at least one new box, maybe two, only because of accessibility issues. I've been told Netgear's NAS boxes has accessible software, but only one person has told me this. Anyone have any experience or can recommend something? The boxes I'm replacing are Synology Cubestations, model CS411, which have served me quite well for four years. Any thoughts? I've even thought about a FreeNAS home-built system, but more computers around here I really don't want or need, and I'd spend about the same money either way on a suitable motherboard, power supply, processor and case, but then I'd have to build the thing, which in and of itself is not a problem, but I want something and I want it now, I don't want to have to tinker and tweak and fuss and fumfer for a week or two just to get everything right.

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Weastern Hard disk problem
by Ibraam Wahib 09 Jan '14

09 Jan '14

hello sirs please, i've big problem hope i found one help me suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. wait your guide if you please thanks

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Weastern Hard disk problem
by Ibraam Wahib 08 Jan '14

08 Jan '14

hello sirs please, i've big problem hope i found one help me suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. wait your guide if you please thanks

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing Servers & Desktops
by Chris Nestrud 06 Jan '14

06 Jan '14

You can run the setup executable with one of these switches: /Type Remote - Use this setup type when installing JAWS on a computer that will be accessed through a terminal session by JAWS users. Special video hooks for terminal services are installed and the virtual speech and braille drivers are set up. If you are running the installation from a remote location during a terminal session, this setup type is automatically detected. /Type SilentRemote - JAWS is silently installed as a Remote setup. More information is here: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.asp?QC=1118 Chris On Thu, January 2, 2014 10:58 am, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry to be dumb. But when you say only the remote access components of > JFW need installing on the server, I haven't been able to get that option. > I can only install a full copy of JFW on the server. It isn't activated, > but it is still the full installation with all of the other stuff like FS > Reader and the like. > > Is there an option to do a minimal install on the server for remote access > deployments? > > Thanks. > Andrew. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Chris Nestrud > Sent: 02 January 2014 16:42 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing > Servers & Desktops > > Concerning JFW, the copy on the desktop from which you will be initiating > the RDP connection needs to have the Remote Access add-on installed. This > add-on costs $200.00. The system to which you will be connecting needs to > have JFW installed, either a full version of JFW, or only the remote > access components. The copy of JFW on the system to which you will be > connecting does not need to be authorized. Concerning the copy of JFW on > the system from which you will be initiating the connection, it can be > authorized using an ILM key or using a dongle. > > That said, in cases where you'll be switching computers regularly, a > dongle is a nice thing to have. > > Chris > > On Thu, January 2, 2014 10:05 am, Fermin, German wrote: >> I own a remote jaws license here. One thing that Freedom does mnot >> make very clear, you also need to buy a dongle.. I think it's 200 >> dollars for them to press a few buttons and change your account and 45 >> dollars for the dongle. It's been a while since these were purchased >> so prices may have changed since then >> >> HF >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Andrew Hodgson >> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 6:28 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> Hi, >> >> The remote license for JFW only needs to be purchased if you want to >> access a remote JFW via Citrix or RDP. Using sound redirection via >> TeamViewer or LogMeIn can be used with a standard license without the >> features installed. I don't own a remote JFW license over here. >> >> Andrew. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Fermin, German >> Sent: 31 December 2013 14:25 >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> Are you using JFW with the remote access enabled? >> >> HF >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Stephen Guerra >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:17 AM >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> Cluncky slow but your able to get use to it, installed it on my >> machines on my home network and tried remotely controlling each >> machine and you have to enter a code and password but worked as if you >> were sitting in front of the machine. Depends on the memory and >> resources of the remotely controlled machine. >> >> >> Respectfully >> >> Stephen Guerra >> Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations independent >> living aids, LLC | SOUNDBYTES >> 200 Robbins Lane >> Jericho, New York 11753-2341 >> Phone: 800.537.2118 >> Direct: 516.450.3817 >> E-mail: stephen(a)independentliving.com >> Check out our 2013 New E-Catalog >> Web sites: www.independentliving.com >> www.soundbytes.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Fermin, German >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:05 AM >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> Clunky like NVDA or a different kind of clunky? >> >> HF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Stephen Guerra >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:02 AM >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> I have used Team viewer and its clunky but usable. >> >> I have used RAM enough to offer support if needed and am sorry to hear >> about your experiences. >> >> >> Respectfully >> >> Stephen Guerra >> Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations independent >> living aids, LLC | SOUNDBYTES >> 200 Robbins Lane >> Jericho, New York 11753-2341 >> Phone: 800.537.2118 >> Direct: 516.450.3817 >> E-mail: stephen(a)independentliving.com >> Check out our 2013 New E-Catalog >> Web sites: www.independentliving.com >> www.soundbytes.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Fermin, German >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:53 AM >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> RIM and RAM uses the Serotek screen reader. For the most part, pretty >> easy to set up. Tehc support is horrible in my own experience. Not >> because they didn't know how to help just that they took so long to >> answer my questions. >> So long that they gave me an extra 60-days free trial. By that time I >> was very disenchanted with the product. At least the tech support side >> of it. >> I was told one day that the tech support person was not available >> because she was busy finishing up a podcast and that she would call me >> as soon as it was done. She got back to me two weeks later. >> >> Sadly, it's probably the best all in one solution for Remote Desktop >> Tools for Accessing Servers & Desktops. Second would be >> JFW >> >> I'm interested on how others use Team viewer >> >> >> HF >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Stephen Guerra >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:30 AM >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> NO, you I believe you can use either RAMN or RIM without a screen >> reader, but the people at Serotek would best be able to answer this >> question. >> >> 650.249.1000 >> >> >> Respectfully >> >> Stephen Guerra >> Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations independent >> living aids, LLC | SOUNDBYTES >> 200 Robbins Lane >> Jericho, New York 11753-2341 >> Phone: 800.537.2118 >> Direct: 516.450.3817 >> E-mail: stephen(a)independentliving.com >> Check out our 2013 New E-Catalog >> Web sites: www.independentliving.com >> www.soundbytes.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Sean Murphy >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:00 AM >> To: Blind sysadmins list >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >> Servers & Desktops >> >> Steve, >> >> >> does the RIM product require SayToGo or any other screen reader? >> >> My prime focus is to access a CRT, Putty or any SSH/Telnet app that is >> based upon the customers network. I cannot use remote SSH from my >> desktop because customer's do not permit this due to security reasons. >> They used to in the old days, but no longer. >> >> Sean >> On 31/12/2013, at 5:34 AM, Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss(a)gordon.edu> >> wrote: >> >>> I had no idea that TeamViewer had an audio redirect feature. I sure >>> hope >> it's not through voice chat. Radmin is like that, and it's the >> biggest pain in the butt to set up. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Stephen Guerra >>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 1:05 PM >>> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for >>> Accessing Servers & Desktops >>> >>> Just have it on my machines and works find, no specific reason. >>> >>> >>> Respectfully >>> >>> Stephen Guerra >>> Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations independent >>> living aids, LLC | SOUNDBYTES >>> 200 Robbins Lane >>> Jericho, New York 11753-2341 >>> Phone: 800.537.2118 >>> Direct: 516.450.3817 >>> E-mail: stephen(a)independentliving.com Check out our 2013 New >>> E-Catalog Web sites: www.independentliving.com www.soundbytes.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Katherine Moss >>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 11:56 AM >>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for >>> Accessing Servers & Desktops >>> >>> Remember that something like RIM or RAM, is technically no different >>> from >> LogMeIn, TeamViewer, or one of those (either way, a piece of software >> has to be installed on the end being remoted into.) And why do you >> strictly mention TeamViewer 8? What's special about version 8 that's >> not compatible with the later versions? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andrew Hodgson >>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 10:17 AM >>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for >>> Accessing Servers & Desktops >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When you are using PuTTY etc, are you doing this from your machine, >>> or >> remoting into another machine using something like Webex then using >> PuTTY on the remote end? >>> >>> If you can get PuTTY working on your machine, then remote in via SSH, >>> then >> that is both more secure and will work with JFW. >>> >>> If you are relying on an underlying remote connection to use a remote >>> copy >> of PuTTY, then I'm afraid you are out of luck unless you can install a >> screen reader. >>> >>> The litest install is currently a portible version of NVDA using a >>> remote >> technology that can pipe sound from the remote system to your system. >> I find Webex not very useful in this regard, it is more tailored to >> providing presentation and demo capabilities rather than remote support. >>> >>> I have some products which run on Linux appliances, and the guys >>> always >> use Webex to get into a PuTTY session on my desktop, which has SSH >> access to the devices. The user experience is painful to say the least. >>> >>> Andrew. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Sean Murphy >>> Sent: 30 December 2013 00:38 >>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for >>> Accessing Servers & Desktops >>> >>> SayToGo software only works with programs it knows about. If you use >> SaytoGo with programs that it isn't aware, then it doesn't provide >> much assistance. >>> >>> The other options that have been outlined I would like to know more >>> about. >>> Such how to configure them. I am not interested in knowing about JFW >>> or >> Window-eyes. >>> I have a similar situation with controlling customer's remote desktops. >> The challenge I have is that I need to be able to use any terminal >> program such as CRT, Putty, etc. I cannot install JFW or window-eye's >> in the customer's environment. So these screen reading solutions are >> not practical or possible. SayToGo does not work with terminal >> programs as I have mention, so I cannot use them. >>> >>> Currently we use a product called Webex to access peoples desktop. >>> This >> program can either control a app or desktop. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any ideas team? >>> >>> >>> On 27/12/2013, at 2:58 PM, Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss(a)gordon.edu> >> wrote: >>> >>>> I personally do not find having a screen reader present on the >>>> server >>> intrusive. As long as it is only running when you start the remote >> session and then you shut it down before logging out, that is your >> best solution server side. Window-eyes works best for this since >> their remote desktop virtual channel is free and does not require a >> sound card or other audio device on the server. Remote Access Manager >> will work as well, though it might be considered way too costly. >> Client side, I'd use RIM from serotek because the only thing the user >> has to install on their computer is the host software, not much >> different from a normal remote session with LogMeIn or one of those. >> Besides, is LogMeIn's audio redirection feature even free? >>> I'm not quite sure it is, but I don't think so though. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andrew Hodgson >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:31 PM >>>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for >>>> Accessing >>> Servers & Desktops >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Scenario 1: >>>> >>>> Forget anything like the VmWare client for remote access, it doesn't >>> provide audio redirection and is just a console screen image. >>>> >>>> RDP will work in two ways: >>>> 1. Using JFW or WindowEyes installed on the server and client. You >>>> get >>> good speech and Braille feedback, but need the AT installed on the >>> server >> as well. >>>> 2. Same as above, but using audio redirection to get the speech to >>>> your >>> desktop. This has the advantage that you can use NVDA on the server >>> in >> this mode, but is laggy and also requires that the Windows Audio >> service is running, and Group Policy is set to redirect audio. No >> Braille support. >>>> >>>> I am hoping that at some point NVDA can work in option 1, as that >>>> would be >>> very cool. I think the option 1 is only available if an RDP hook >>> driver >> is installed on the server, which is slightly intrusive, but not as >> intrusive as installing JFW or WE etc. >>>> >>>> Scenario 2 is kind of similar with the remote audio redirection and >>>> RDP >>> for local machines where you can remote into them using RDP, but if >>> using >> tools such as Team Viewer or Log Me In, then you need to use audio >> redirection and a screen reader installed on the machine. There is >> also Remote Access Manager from Serotek, but I haven't played with >> these. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Andrew. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Mika Pyyhkala >>>> Sent: 26 December 2013 22:35 >>>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Best Remote Desktop Tools for Accessing >>>> Servers >>> & Desktops >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would like to present two scenarios, and see what sort of tools or >>> combination of tools people are using & find most helpful for >>> accessing >> remote desktop sessions or similar functionality. >>>> >>>> Scenario 1: Server Access >>>> I will sometimes need to remote desktop in to a server such as an >>>> Exchange >>> server or a Office Communicator server. While most functions can be >> performed from your desktop pc client using a console or Powershell, >> there are some functions that must be performed logged in to the server >> itself. >>> My challenge is now when I use MSTSC I lose speech almost immediately >> since these servers do not have Jaws or other AT on them. We may also >> need to enable the Windows audio service as I am not sure that even >> Narrator will work at this point. >>>> >>>> We also have a VMWare infrastructure for many of our servers, but >>>> the >>> VmWare console, it is kind of like remote desktop or being on the >>> console >> itself, does not appear to work with Jaws....I did not really think it >> would work. >>>> >>>> So far I have been able to use the assistance of colleagues, but I >>>> wonder >>> how others do this? Right now I launch the MSTSC and then let >>> someone >> else "drive." >>>> >>>> I think a real issue, and perhaps an easy one, may be that our >>>> servers >>> just aren't enabled by default with the Windows Audio service to >>> allow >> Narrator. But then again, if its a complex task, I don't think I >> would get enough information from Narrator alone, and it may be time >> consuming to use Narrator. >>>> >>>> Scenario 2: Access to a Users Desktop I will also sometimes need to >>>> access a remote desktop type session on an >>> end users Windows XP or Windows 7 desktop computer. This might be to >> install or configure an application, troubleshoot something, or work >> on say a machine in our training room. These machines also would not >> have Jaws or any other AT on them, although as needed it would be >> easier to install AT on these machines than it would be on our >> production servers :). >>>> >>>> Under this scenario also may be helping a remote user or family >>>> member in >>> a different physical location. >>>> >>>> I have done this a little with Jaws tandem in the past and it has >>>> worked >>> relatively well again if the end user I am trying to help has Jaws. >>>> >>>> I know I have read some discussions about remote desktop but I'm >>>> just >>> wondering how exactly folks handle these scenarios, and what type of >>> tools >> & solutions are best? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Mika Pyyhkala >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> This message contains information from Neighborhood Health Plan that >>>> may >>> be confidential or privileged. This message is directed only to the >> individual or entity named above. 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