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Re: Replacement for Java JRE
by Eigeldinger Simon 21 Feb '19

21 Feb '19

Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2019 14:05 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Jason White <jason(a)jasonjgw.net> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Replacement for Java JRE I think you can still stay on JRE 8 for a while yet, with security updates. For work purposes, I occasionally use a Java-based tool, but it’s a command line based program. I installed adoptopenjdk 11 to run it, which is under the GPL, and built from the OpenJDK sources. From: Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at> Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 04:24 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Replacement for Java JRE Hi all, I guess many of you have heard that Oracle doesn't allow free usage for the Java JRE in companys anymore. We have some old web apps that still use the java plugin. Is there any alternative for that? I recently heard that Oracle hasn't open sourced the web plugin so OpenJDK needs to create their own plugin though that might take a little while. Is someone using something different now? Greetings and thanks, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Multiple browsers managing favorites
by Troy Hergert 14 Feb '19

14 Feb '19

Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone has found a good practice for managing staff computers when they use multiple browsers. I myself use 4 browsers somewhat regularly. Usually when I upgrade a staff's computer, I can go to the browsers they indicate and export bookmarks/favorites for uploading into a new computer. Just recently, and it doesn't happen often, a computer completely failed and I couldn't recover someone's numerous bookmarks. We aren't setup for roaming profiles so they were lost in that instance. Anyone have any policies or recommended procedures for helping their staff manage their favorites/bookmarks when multiple browsers are in play? Thanks. ###

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Re: Replacement for Java JRE
by Jason White 14 Feb '19

14 Feb '19

I think you can still stay on JRE 8 for a while yet, with security updates. For work purposes, I occasionally use a Java-based tool, but it’s a command line based program. I installed adoptopenjdk 11 to run it, which is under the GPL, and built from the OpenJDK sources. From: Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at> Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 04:24 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Replacement for Java JRE Hi all, I guess many of you have heard that Oracle doesn't allow free usage for the Java JRE in companys anymore. We have some old web apps that still use the java plugin. Is there any alternative for that? I recently heard that Oracle hasn't open sourced the web plugin so OpenJDK needs to create their own plugin though that might take a little while. Is someone using something different now? Greetings and thanks, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Replacement for Java JRE
by Eigeldinger Simon 14 Feb '19

14 Feb '19

Hi all, I guess many of you have heard that Oracle doesn't allow free usage for the Java JRE in companys anymore. We have some old web apps that still use the java plugin. Is there any alternative for that? I recently heard that Oracle hasn't open sourced the web plugin so OpenJDK needs to create their own plugin though that might take a little while. Is someone using something different now? Greetings and thanks, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 [Hohenems_logo]Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt.

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Tool to create a website that is not a CMS
by Luke Scholey 12 Feb '19

12 Feb '19

Hi all Bit of a strange question, but does anyone know of an accessible tool, for Windows, that will allow a client of mine to create a website? She doesn’t want to use Drupal or Wordpress but still wants things like CSS to have a consistent style across the site. She only knows very basic HTML so A program where a lot of coding needs to be done won’t work either. I’ve tried a lot of programs where you’re meant to drag and drop elements but none of them work with NVDA or Jaws. It’s for a charity website, so it shouldn’t need to be that advanced, maybe a signup form for the mailing list and a contact form. Thanks for any help. Kind regards Luke Scholey -- Luke Scholey Webmaster i/c Publishing lukescholey.co.uk Tel: +44 7759 282586 Email: l.scholey(a)lukescholey.co.uk WWW.LUKESCHOLEY.CO.UK All feedback and questions welcome. The site admin can be contacted at: webmaster(a)lukescholey.co.uk All content copyright © 2012-2019 LukeScholey.co.uk Confidentiality Notice: This message and any attachments are private and confidential and may be subject to legal privilege and copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please do not publish or copy it to anyone else. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your email software and then remove it from your system. Disclaimer: Although this email and attachments have been scanned for viruses, LukeScholey.co.uk accepts no liability for any loss or damage arising from the receipt or use of this communication.

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Re: Remote Desktop in the modern age
by Andrew Hodgson 11 Feb '19

11 Feb '19

Hi, My experience with the VDI solutions is that they typically don't run using RDP directly. Users log in via a web session or using specific client software which orchestrates the creation of the desktop VM as well as set up the remote connection. It may be RDP going on somewhere at the back end but connecting via RDP straight is typically an admin only function. It is possible to get around this but that typically involves going outside the VDI solution or setting up an always on static VM somewhere else to do this. Also looking at the Azure managed desktop feature we see similar here as well, although it is possible to just set up a VM in a dedicated vnet. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: 09 February 2019 00:45 To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Ryan Shugart Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Remote Desktop in the modern age I agree, I think RDP/Citrix are still widely used. Many (not all) of the VDI solutions are using a fancy web interface, true, but its really just rapping around an RDP client meaning you can use traditional RDP to get in. I'm curious though, I know remote desktop is used heavily among IT pros to access servers for administration and in some cases other desktops for troubleshooting, how widely are these technologies used by rank and file employees? How many people work at companies who have gone/are going the thin client route and how has that impacted your ability to use a screen reader? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:26 AM To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Remote Desktop in the modern age Hi, The recent discussions on here for remote desktop have lead me to ask this question. Are the remote desktop protocols used today giving enough in accessibility? I know we have RDP and Citrix capabilities, but to be honest I have seen very few Citrix implementations these days, and more and more is being done with custom web plugins, especially in the VDI space. What potential options do we have going forward, are the current access methods likely to become outdated and who was responsible/is now responsible for maintaining the access via the new protocols? Discuss. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch?
by Zameer Mahomed 10 Feb '19

10 Feb '19

Hi Katherine, Just out of interest, were you able to get ESXi up and running by yourself? If yes, what would be the best way to go about installing it? Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2019 10:57 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Katherine M. Moss <KMoss(a)WinterHillSolutions.com> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch? RAS is your best bet; VMware, at least in my experience, will eventually screw you over. The server edition of ESXi, at least, does. You're hit a licensing limit that won't let you set up any VMs; my group tried it. -----Original Message----- From: Zameer Mahomed <core7xx(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 3:14 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch? Hi Katherine, Thanks for the reply. Yeah, my searches have lead me to suggestions where people have RAS installed on a dedicated vm for this sort of thing. Funny enough, when I used VMware, I havent bothered with this connectivity issue as it took care of it for me. Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2019 9:00 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Katherine M. Moss <KMoss(a)WinterHillSolutions.com> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch? Sounds like you need a router to serve as the gateway; if you're behind a NAT interface, then, you'll need something to get you onto the internet. You'l have to use RAS as a router only to do that. I've not looked at this in a long time, but that's the basic principle. -----Original Message----- From: Zameer Mahomed <core7xx(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:00 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch? Hi Listers, for those of you using Hyper-V, My scenario is that I would like to have an internal switch but have this switch connected to the Internet. I understand this is possible via NAT. I am currently using Windows 10 enterprise, build 1803. Using powershell, I have done the following: New-VMSwitch -SwitchName Internal -SwitchType Internal the interface index of the switch I just created is 33. New-NetIPAddress -IPAddress 10.10.4.1 -PrefixLength 22 -InterfaceIndex 33 New-NetNat -Name External -InternalIPInterfaceAddressPrefix 10.10.4.0/22 I've gone in to the settings of a VM under network adapter, and selected the name of the switch I created earlier. I've also assigned the vm a static IP address and used 10.10.4.1 which I created earlier for the gateway. However, I am still unable to access the Internet. I am able to access other vm's and the host. Your help would be much appreciated please? Kind Regards Kind Regards _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch?
by Zameer Mahomed 10 Feb '19

10 Feb '19

Hi Katherine, Thanks for the reply. Yeah, my searches have lead me to suggestions where people have RAS installed on a dedicated vm for this sort of thing. Funny enough, when I used VMware, I havent bothered with this connectivity issue as it took care of it for me. Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2019 9:00 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Katherine M. Moss <KMoss(a)WinterHillSolutions.com> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch? Sounds like you need a router to serve as the gateway; if you're behind a NAT interface, then, you'll need something to get you onto the internet. You'l have to use RAS as a router only to do that. I've not looked at this in a long time, but that's the basic principle. -----Original Message----- From: Zameer Mahomed <core7xx(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:00 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch? Hi Listers, for those of you using Hyper-V, My scenario is that I would like to have an internal switch but have this switch connected to the Internet. I understand this is possible via NAT. I am currently using Windows 10 enterprise, build 1803. Using powershell, I have done the following: New-VMSwitch -SwitchName Internal -SwitchType Internal the interface index of the switch I just created is 33. New-NetIPAddress -IPAddress 10.10.4.1 -PrefixLength 22 -InterfaceIndex 33 New-NetNat -Name External -InternalIPInterfaceAddressPrefix 10.10.4.0/22 I've gone in to the settings of a VM under network adapter, and selected the name of the switch I created earlier. I've also assigned the vm a static IP address and used 10.10.4.1 which I created earlier for the gateway. However, I am still unable to access the Internet. I am able to access other vm's and the host. Your help would be much appreciated please? Kind Regards Kind Regards _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Hyper-v: Internet on an internal switch?
by Zameer Mahomed 10 Feb '19

10 Feb '19

Hi Listers, for those of you using Hyper-V, My scenario is that I would like to have an internal switch but have this switch connected to the Internet. I understand this is possible via NAT. I am currently using Windows 10 enterprise, build 1803. Using powershell, I have done the following: New-VMSwitch -SwitchName Internal -SwitchType Internal the interface index of the switch I just created is 33. New-NetIPAddress -IPAddress 10.10.4.1 -PrefixLength 22 -InterfaceIndex 33 New-NetNat -Name External -InternalIPInterfaceAddressPrefix 10.10.4.0/22 I've gone in to the settings of a VM under network adapter, and selected the name of the switch I created earlier. I've also assigned the vm a static IP address and used 10.10.4.1 which I created earlier for the gateway. However, I am still unable to access the Internet. I am able to access other vm's and the host. Your help would be much appreciated please? Kind Regards Kind Regards

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Re: Remote Desktop in the modern age
by Ryan Shugart 09 Feb '19

09 Feb '19

I agree, I think RDP/Citrix are still widely used. Many (not all) of the VDI solutions are using a fancy web interface, true, but its really just rapping around an RDP client meaning you can use traditional RDP to get in. I'm curious though, I know remote desktop is used heavily among IT pros to access servers for administration and in some cases other desktops for troubleshooting, how widely are these technologies used by rank and file employees? How many people work at companies who have gone/are going the thin client route and how has that impacted your ability to use a screen reader? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:26 AM To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Remote Desktop in the modern age Hi, The recent discussions on here for remote desktop have lead me to ask this question. Are the remote desktop protocols used today giving enough in accessibility? I know we have RDP and Citrix capabilities, but to be honest I have seen very few Citrix implementations these days, and more and more is being done with custom web plugins, especially in the VDI space. What potential options do we have going forward, are the current access methods likely to become outdated and who was responsible/is now responsible for maintaining the access via the new protocols? Discuss. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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