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accessible linux rescue image
by David Mehler 15 Feb '20

15 Feb '20

Hello, What is everyone using for Linux accessible rescue images? I've got a machine I'm needing to do some checking/troubleshooting on and was wondering what is currently available? I found grml and Knoppix, my initial goal is Cli-based, but if I can go graphical and have accessibility there as well that would be great! Thanks. Dave.

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Re: Dream Machine was Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh
by Jason White 12 Feb '20

12 Feb '20

How does it compare with running a typical device that supports OpenWRT? My current router at home is a Linksys WRT1900AC, running the current OpenWRT release. It's old enough to support 802.11ac, but not the newer Phase II features. I don't need mesh, so I haven't investigated the OpenWRT mesh networking support. There is of course newer hardware available from various vendors. I don't plan to upgrade until 802.11ax is supported though. The Web interface of OpenWRT is relatively accessible with a screen reader, and one can access a shell via ssh to edit configuration files or to issue Linux commands. There is also a variety of optional packages available for installation, so if you need a Radius server, or IPSec, or Samba, or any of a number of other capabilities, they're obtainable. One disadvantage of OpenWRT, in my view, is that the operating system is not packaged as a typical Linux distribution would be. You have to upgrade the entire image as a unit, taking care to preserve your optional packages and customizations, although this is better automated in the current version. On 2/11/20, 15:00, "Billy Irwin" <billy.irwin(a)outlook.com> wrote: Hi Ryan, I haven't, but I wouldn't mind taking it on if I had some extra time to. They really have great enterprise stuff and I really enjoy using it. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 12:10 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Dream Machine was Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh Thanks a lot this is all good info. Has anyone been in contact with Ubiquiti's accessibility people and let them know of the problem? Thanks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin(a)outlook.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 5:34 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Dream Machine was Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh Hi Ryan, I use the unify products fairly well, but the web interface from time to time is a pain. Command line works great. The biggest issue you will have is if the page has dynamic content updating constantly. It will freeze the screen reader and browser. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Shugart <rshugart(a)ryanshugart.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 1:58 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dream Machine was Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh Hey Andrew: Was wondering what you thought of the Dream Machine, I've heard good things about it. I've got an Airport Express I'll be looking at replacing later this year, and I want something that's accessible but also going to give me a reasonably secure setup. Thanks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: Monday, February 10, 2020 at 8:17 AM To: "steve(a)comproom.co.uk" <steve(a)comproom.co.uk>, Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh Hi, I kind of agree, I went with the Orbi because most of the others rely on apps to configure them and I wanted something with a web interface, at the time the Orbi was the only option, nearly everything else was easy setup on apps only. The Orbi in my view is still the best router out there in terms of configurable features, I am not so happy with the Netgear router interface but it works well enough. I am using Ubiquiti kit now (actually just got a Dream Machine over Christmas), and I would probably look at using their Ubiquiti Unifi gear in mesh mode if I needed to go that route again. There is also the Synology rT2600 which can then act as a mesh basestation, that is a very configurable beast. Not sure if Draytek are going to come out with a mesh system at some point, I have read rumours in various places. I haven't gone near Asus. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Steve Nutt [steve(a)comproom.co.uk] Sent: 10 February 2020 15:05 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh Hi, I never fancied Mesh, they are not that configurable if you are an advanced router user. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com> Sent: 10 February 2020 14:59 To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Netgear or Asus Mesh Hello, I'm going to be getting a mesh system for my home and want to hear from those who have them. After researching and talking to friends I'm thinking either the Asus ZenWiFi or the Netgear Orbi both AC3000 (I don't have anything AX currently) and both Tri-Band, but I'm wanting to hear others recommendations and experiences. If you've tried one or both please let me know your impressions. I am also interested in any of these systems phone apps and how accessible they are if I would need to do setup on them either locally or when I'm out needing to change something. For reference to this question i'm using a windows10 laptop, a win10 surface pro tablet, and an android I think it's 8 phone and an android 9 tablet, so that's what any apps would have to run on. If any of these (or other) mesh systems have native support for an Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Dream Machine was Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh
by Ryan Shugart 11 Feb '20

11 Feb '20

Hey Andrew: Was wondering what you thought of the Dream Machine, I've heard good things about it. I've got an Airport Express I'll be looking at replacing later this year, and I want something that's accessible but also going to give me a reasonably secure setup. Thanks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: Monday, February 10, 2020 at 8:17 AM To: "steve(a)comproom.co.uk" <steve(a)comproom.co.uk>, Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh Hi, I kind of agree, I went with the Orbi because most of the others rely on apps to configure them and I wanted something with a web interface, at the time the Orbi was the only option, nearly everything else was easy setup on apps only. The Orbi in my view is still the best router out there in terms of configurable features, I am not so happy with the Netgear router interface but it works well enough. I am using Ubiquiti kit now (actually just got a Dream Machine over Christmas), and I would probably look at using their Ubiquiti Unifi gear in mesh mode if I needed to go that route again. There is also the Synology rT2600 which can then act as a mesh basestation, that is a very configurable beast. Not sure if Draytek are going to come out with a mesh system at some point, I have read rumours in various places. I haven't gone near Asus. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Steve Nutt [steve(a)comproom.co.uk] Sent: 10 February 2020 15:05 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Netgear or Asus Mesh Hi, I never fancied Mesh, they are not that configurable if you are an advanced router user. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: David Mehler <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com> Sent: 10 February 2020 14:59 To: blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Netgear or Asus Mesh Hello, I'm going to be getting a mesh system for my home and want to hear from those who have them. After researching and talking to friends I'm thinking either the Asus ZenWiFi or the Netgear Orbi both AC3000 (I don't have anything AX currently) and both Tri-Band, but I'm wanting to hear others recommendations and experiences. If you've tried one or both please let me know your impressions. I am also interested in any of these systems phone apps and how accessible they are if I would need to do setup on them either locally or when I'm out needing to change something. For reference to this question i'm using a windows10 laptop, a win10 surface pro tablet, and an android I think it's 8 phone and an android 9 tablet, so that's what any apps would have to run on. If any of these (or other) mesh systems have native support for an Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Netgear or Asus Mesh
by David Mehler 10 Feb '20

10 Feb '20

Hello, I'm going to be getting a mesh system for my home and want to hear from those who have them. After researching and talking to friends I'm thinking either the Asus ZenWiFi or the Netgear Orbi both AC3000 (I don't have anything AX currently) and both Tri-Band, but I'm wanting to hear others recommendations and experiences. If you've tried one or both please let me know your impressions. I am also interested in any of these systems phone apps and how accessible they are if I would need to do setup on them either locally or when I'm out needing to change something. For reference to this question i'm using a windows10 laptop, a win10 surface pro tablet, and an android I think it's 8 phone and an android 9 tablet, so that's what any apps would have to run on. If any of these (or other) mesh systems have native support for an Thanks. Dave.

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Re: NFS mount and permissions on a Synology NAS
by Jason White 09 Feb '20

09 Feb '20

Is there anything interesting/relevant in the logs of the affected client systems? If the NAS has logs, I would check those too. On 2/8/20, 16:00, "Timothy Spaulding" <spaulding(a)icanbrew.com> wrote: Hello All, Short story: I have a Synology NAS that has a NFS volume/path exported I have a couple of Raspberry PIs that can mount the NFS volume and read/write with no issues I have a brand new Raspberry PI 4 and an older Debian (stretch) install that mounts the NFS volume, but gets a permissions denied when trying to list the contents of the volume. Logged on as pi, sudo mkdir /mnt/syn sudo mount <NAS>:/volume1/nfs /mnt/syn ls -l /mnt d--------- 1 root root 268 Oct 13 14:24 syn is the result I get after mounting, if I were to unmount the volume (and these are the same values before mounting), I get the following from the ls -l command: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 13 14:02 syn As I see it, the chmod permission are changing when mounting the NFS volume. The strangest part to me is that it works on 2 other Raspberry PIs. I hope someone has some ideas I can try. Tim _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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NFS mount and permissions on a Synology NAS
by Timothy Spaulding 09 Feb '20

09 Feb '20

Hello All, Short story: I have a Synology NAS that has a NFS volume/path exported I have a couple of Raspberry PIs that can mount the NFS volume and read/write with no issues I have a brand new Raspberry PI 4 and an older Debian (stretch) install that mounts the NFS volume, but gets a permissions denied when trying to list the contents of the volume. Logged on as pi, sudo mkdir /mnt/syn sudo mount <NAS>:/volume1/nfs /mnt/syn ls -l /mnt d--------- 1 root root 268 Oct 13 14:24 syn is the result I get after mounting, if I were to unmount the volume (and these are the same values before mounting), I get the following from the ls -l command: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 13 14:02 syn As I see it, the chmod permission are changing when mounting the NFS volume. The strangest part to me is that it works on 2 other Raspberry PIs. I hope someone has some ideas I can try. Tim

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IDE recommendation
by John G Heim 06 Feb '20

06 Feb '20

I am writing up some documentation for students who are developing code on a linux cluster I maintain. Any recommendations for multi-platform IDE that I should include? The only one I've got so far is microsoft Visual Studio Code. -- John G. Heim; jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; 608-263-4189

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espeakup on Ubuntu 18.04
by David Mehler 03 Feb '20

03 Feb '20

Hello, Does anyone have Espeakup working on Ubuntu 18.04lts in a cli? I've got Gui speech going with Orca and Voxin. I'd like to get espeakup and speakup or yasr or a console screen reader going so that when I flip between graphical and cli tty I'll always have speech. I'm getting an installation error with espeakup, this is on a fully updated Ubuntu 18.04lts amd64 virtual machine. #apt-get install espeakup Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: espeak espeak-data libespeak1 libportaudio2 The following NEW packages will be installed: espeak espeak-data espeakup libespeak1 libportaudio2 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1,223 kB of archives. After this operation, 3,057 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 libportaudio2 amd64 19.6.0-1 [64.6 kB] Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 espeak-data amd64 1.48.04+dfsg-5 [934 kB] Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 libespeak1 amd64 1.48.04+dfsg-5 [145 kB] Get:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 espeak amd64 1.48.04+dfsg-5 [61.6 kB] Get:5 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 espeakup amd64 1:0.80-9 [17.7 kB] Fetched 1,223 kB in 1s (1,198 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package libportaudio2:amd64. (Reading database ... 254811 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../libportaudio2_19.6.0-1_amd64.deb ... Unpacking libportaudio2:amd64 (19.6.0-1) ... Selecting previously unselected package espeak-data:amd64. Preparing to unpack .../espeak-data_1.48.04+dfsg-5_amd64.deb ... Unpacking espeak-data:amd64 (1.48.04+dfsg-5) ... Selecting previously unselected package libespeak1:amd64. Preparing to unpack .../libespeak1_1.48.04+dfsg-5_amd64.deb ... Unpacking libespeak1:amd64 (1.48.04+dfsg-5) ... Selecting previously unselected package espeak. Preparing to unpack .../espeak_1.48.04+dfsg-5_amd64.deb ... Unpacking espeak (1.48.04+dfsg-5) ... Selecting previously unselected package espeakup. Preparing to unpack .../espeakup_1%3a0.80-9_amd64.deb ... Unpacking espeakup (1:0.80-9) ... Setting up libportaudio2:amd64 (19.6.0-1) ... Setting up espeak-data:amd64 (1.48.04+dfsg-5) ... Setting up libespeak1:amd64 (1.48.04+dfsg-5) ... Setting up espeak (1.48.04+dfsg-5) ... Setting up espeakup (1:0.80-9) ... Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/sound.target.wants/espeakup.service → /lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service. update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults Job for espeakup.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status espeakup.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. invoke-rc.d: initscript espeakup, action "start" failed. ● espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: activating (auto-restart) (Result: exit-code) since Sun 2020-02-02 20:37:15 EST; 10ms ago Docs: man:espeakup(8) Process: 1695 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup -V ${VOICE} (code=exited, status=2) dpkg: error processing package espeakup (--configure): installed espeakup package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 Processing triggers for systemd (237-3ubuntu10.33) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.8.3-2ubuntu0.1) ... Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-21) ... Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.27-3ubuntu1) ... Errors were encountered while processing: espeakup E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave.

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Re: Visual Studio Code accessibility (was Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN)
by Jason White 01 Feb '20

01 Feb '20

Chromium accessibility under Linux with Orca is working reasonably well at this point, but it hasn't been officially released, and I don't know whether Electron (used by Visual Studio Code) has caught up yet with the latest Linux accessibility-related changes. You may have to try it with the very latest builds of Electron. I tried VS Code recently on a Windows machine with JAWS. One difficulty that I discovered is that even with word-wrap turned on, if I write long lines of text in the editor, the up/down arrow keys treat each logical line as though it were a single "physical" line (i.e., with no soft line breaks). This makes navigation within long lines awkward. Obviously, when writing Markdown, HTML, LaTeX, etc., one doesn't wish to press enter to end each line. There may be a configuration option that I'm missing. I tried setting word wrap to 80 characters, and also to the size of the viewport, with identical results. On 1/31/20, 09:42, "John G Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: Well, I want to make it clear I am not trying to tell Microsoft how to run it's business but your reasons rely on things that are factually incorrect. Orca is not immature. It is older and approximately as stable as voiceover and nvda. Also, the linux programming cummunity is huge. I don't know the percentage of developers there are for each platform, Windows, Linux, and Mac but I would be shocked if Linux was far behind Windows and even more shocked if it wasn't way ahead of Mac. The internet infrastructure in this country runs on Linux. Every super computer in the world runs Linux. That's where development is heading. On 1/30/20 5:20 PM, Ryan Shugart wrote: > Hi John: > Thanks for your feedback. At this point, we are not targeting accessibility on Linux due to the low usage numbers, and the relative immaturity of the Orca screen reader itself when compared to VoiceOver on mac, or NVDA and JAWS and Narrator on Windows. You can try VS Code on either Mac or Windows and we are actively working on accessibility on both of those platforms, and we have people using the product effectively in both environments. We are also monitoring Linux usage and as it goes up and as the AT solutions mature more, we will reinvestigate making VS Code work there as well. > Ryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: John G Heim <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:07 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN > > I just took part in a usability survey for Visual Studio Code. I wasn't able to get any further than task 1, installation on my Ubuntu Linux system. VSC installed okay on Ubuntu but it seemed completely unusable with the orca screen reader. > > > I haven't found a good IDE for linux yet. > > On 1/30/20 11:56 AM, Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins wrote: >> Hello everyone: >> As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: >> * Visual Studio >> * Azure Devops >> * Azure >> * Dynamics >> * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager >> * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. >> We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. >> If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. >> Thanks. >> Ryan >> >> Ryan Shugart >> Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation >> 425-705-1262 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN
by Ryan Shugart 31 Jan '20

31 Jan '20

Hello everyone: As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: * Visual Studio * Azure Devops * Azure * Dynamics * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. Thanks. Ryan Ryan Shugart Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation 425-705-1262

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