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Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by Darragh Ó Héiligh 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets @Thurrott with the following: #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte You could write a message like this: Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to administer thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and NVAccess, Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday. I really want the messages relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's mind while they sit down to present tomorrow's show. Feel free to ask people to retweet. I agree that The OOB experience could be better. And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, the points I was making weren't related to the OOB. Certain people who disagree with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with frustrations around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. Not the way he attacked the OOB. I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes intentionally on some other forums. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many podcasts so had to make a bit of time. I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking about but we were talking about the OOBE. I am not sure what the end decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it. Also if you try and use it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think it needs addressing. However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a computer. I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving the minimum of noise. If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased with the work that MS did. However I did do a survey afterwards about how many people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me feel a bit sad. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind Association discussion list. It is important that word is gotten out there, and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is heard. This is an utter disgrace. I've just about calmed down, after a few hours and a fair number of cigarettes. Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this. As I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this. It's important that we contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and accompanying comments. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin@outlook.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directly. Best Billy L. Irwin - K9OH -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, I've submitted a reply on your BLOG. I hope it went through OK. Barry -----Original Message----- From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years. While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested, is not a trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows that can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people. Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market. On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi, > > Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet? He has responded to me a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely. > > Andrew. > ________________________________________ > From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com] > Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Thanks for highlighting this. > > I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very wrong in what he was saying. I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednesday. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26 > To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > All, > > > > The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. > > > > http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr > ott-is > -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Bill Dengler 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wireless/professional, both/all bands)? Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes this is creepy. I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is. There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names... > > > > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. > > So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. > Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB! I don't have Sky! > I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! > > Thanks all, > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor.... > > Thanks for any help. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue > > Hi all, > > I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. > When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? > > At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. > > Hope this makes sense? > > Cheers, > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by mhysnm1964＠gmail.com 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

All, The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Barry Toner 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Hi, Yes this is creepy. I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is. There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names... Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB! I don't have Sky! I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! Thanks all, Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor.... Thanks for any help. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue Hi all, I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. Hope this makes sense? Cheers, Barry. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Barry Toner 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Hi, I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB! I don't have Sky! I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! Thanks all, Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor.... Thanks for any help. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue Hi all, I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. Hope this makes sense? Cheers, Barry. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Strange gateway issue
by Barry Toner 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Hi all, I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. Hope this makes sense? Cheers, Barry.

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Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by Andrew Hodgson 14 Jan '19

14 Jan '19

Hi, Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many podcasts so had to make a bit of time. I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking about but we were talking about the OOBE. I am not sure what the end decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it. Also if you try and use it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think it needs addressing. However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a computer. I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving the minimum of noise. If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased with the work that MS did. However I did do a survey afterwards about how many people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me feel a bit sad. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind Association discussion list. It is important that word is gotten out there, and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is heard. This is an utter disgrace. I've just about calmed down, after a few hours and a fair number of cigarettes. Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this. As I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this. It's important that we contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and accompanying comments. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin@outlook.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directly. Best Billy L. Irwin - K9OH -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, I've submitted a reply on your BLOG. I hope it went through OK. Barry -----Original Message----- From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years. While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested, is not a trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows that can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people. Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market. On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi, > > Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet? He has responded to me a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely. > > Andrew. > ________________________________________ > From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com] > Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Thanks for highlighting this. > > I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very wrong in what he was saying. I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednesday. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26 > To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > All, > > > > The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. > > > > http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr > ott-is > -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by Billy Irwin 14 Jan '19

14 Jan '19

I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directly. Best Billy L. Irwin - K9OH -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, I've submitted a reply on your BLOG. I hope it went through OK. Barry -----Original Message----- From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years. While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested, is not a trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows that can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people. Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market. On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi, > > Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet? He has responded to me a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely. > > Andrew. > ________________________________________ > From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com] > Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Thanks for highlighting this. > > I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very wrong in what he was saying. I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednesday. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26 > To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > All, > > > > The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. > > > > http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr > ott-is > -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by John G Heim 14 Jan '19

14 Jan '19

I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years. While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested, is not a trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows that can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people. Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market. On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi, > > Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet? He has responded to me a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely. > > Andrew. > ________________________________________ > From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com] > Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Thanks for highlighting this. > > I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very wrong in what he was saying. I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednesday. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26 > To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > All, > > > > The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. > > > > http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is > -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >

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Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by Darragh Ó Héiligh 14 Jan '19

14 Jan '19

All he's said is he's completely uninterested in this. This isn't surprising. It's normal for him not to respond well to constructive feedback. So I@m hoping Leo and Mary Joe will speak to him and maybe we'll have some clarification on Wednesday. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 11:21 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet? He has responded to me a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com] Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Thanks for highlighting this. I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very wrong in what he was saying. I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednesday. -----Original Message----- From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. All, The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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