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Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by Jared Stofflett 17 Jan '19

17 Jan '19

I have no problem with what was said on that podcast. As someone who's blind and just set up a new Windows laptop I find cortana's "a little wifi" spiel insulting. I would expect Narrator to start talking after some period of time, or if I don't want to wait just enable it with control+alt+win like normal. On 1/15/19, Darragh Ó Héiligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com> wrote: > Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets > @Thurrott with the following: > > #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte > > You could write a message like this: > > Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to administer > thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT > #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte > > Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader. > #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte > > Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and NVAccess, > Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT > #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte > > I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible. > #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte > > I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins > @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte > > Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday. I really want the messages > relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's mind while > they sit down to present tomorrow's show. > > Feel free to ask people to retweet. > > > I agree that The OOB experience could be better. > And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, the > points I was making weren't related to the OOB. Certain people who disagree > with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with frustrations > around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. Not the > way he attacked the OOB. > > I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are > misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes > intentionally on some other forums. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> > Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57 > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Hi, > > Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many > podcasts so had to make a bit of time. > > I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking > about but we were talking about the OOBE. I am not sure what the end > decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they > implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I > know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it. Also if you try and use > it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think it needs > addressing. However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made > were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's > misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a > computer. > > I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but > I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving > the minimum of noise. > > If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing > Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased with > the work that MS did. However I did do a survey afterwards about how many > people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said > they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me > feel a bit sad. > > Andrew. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> > Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32 > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Hi, > > I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind > Association discussion list. It is important that word is gotten out there, > and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is > heard. This is an utter disgrace. I've just about calmed down, after a > few hours and a fair number of cigarettes. > > Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this. As > I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect > change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this. It's important that we > contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and > accompanying comments. > > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin@outlook.com] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo > directly. > > Best > > Billy L. Irwin - K9OH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM > To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list > <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Hi, > > I've submitted a reply on your BLOG. I hope it went through OK. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years. > While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, > accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind > sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help > you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested, is not a trivial thing. it > is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do > or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows that > can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of > people. > > > Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it > harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug > doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market. > > > On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet? He has responded to me >> a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely. >> >> Andrew. >> ________________________________________ >> From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com] >> Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16 >> To: Blind sysadmins list >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. >> >> Thanks for highlighting this. >> >> I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was >> very wrong in what he was saying. I'm hoping that they will correct him >> on Wednesday. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26 >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. >> >> All, >> >> >> >> The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original >> podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large >> number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision >> impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the >> below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. >> >> >> >> http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr >> ott-is >> -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >

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IOS app for managing active directory
by Troy Hergert 16 Jan '19

16 Jan '19

Hi all, Apologies if this get's through twice. I never saw my first attempt get through. I was looking into the IOS app called Active Directory Assist. Does anyone have any experience managing AD from an IOS app. I tried the light version of this app and find that it makes you search for AD objects and you must get the name right. I was hoping the pro version would actually list the objects in the domain and not make you search for them. Basically I was hoping to find an app that allowed me to do some basic AD tasks, like resetting passwords, unlocking accounts, adding people to groups etc. Thought I'd check with you all before I spent the $20 on the pro version of the app. Thanks. Troy ### ###

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Examples of unattended Windows server 2019 installations with SSH enabled?
by Jared Stofflett 16 Jan '19

16 Jan '19

Does anyone have examples of automated installs of Windows Server 2019 that have SSH enabled when the install is completed? I'd like to build some 2019 VM's using Packer and it would be a lot easier to access them over SSH then dealing with winrm since they will not be joined to a domain.

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Ben Mustill-Rose 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Haha that's taking the whole friendly neighbourhood IT guy type thing a little bit too far do you not think Andrew? You should have invoiced them for the work you carried out. At least they would have known that said work had taken place that way. On 1/15/19, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote: > Hi, > > There is a misconception that these powerlines need a direct electric hookup > between the systems in order for them to connect. They use the electric > wiring as aerials and so it is perfectly possible for them to see each other > even though you are on a different ring. > > I had a story about this a year or so back. I had taken a load of > powerlines from my parents to try and sort out a network issue I had at my > flat as it has thick walls, they had a load from when I lived there and they > weren't using them. I plugged them in and reset them to default, and as > part of this process I thought I was seeing my own network. I had existing > powerlines which were encrypted. The software I was using prompted me that > the powerlines needed a firmware upgrade so I went ahead with this. It took > a fairly long time to complete which I was surprised about, and as part of > the upgrade it said it was upgrading a wireless access point which I didn't > have. The usability of the software wasn't good anyway, so I was fiddling > around a bit. When the upgrades completed I attempted to get onto my router > to identify DHCP leases and found I was presented with a BT hub instead. > Yes I had connected to a neighbour with similar powerlines and upgraded all > their kit! > > Andrew. > > ________________________________________ > From: Barry Toner [barry(a)tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: 15 January 2019 10:31 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > For completeness. Securing/encrypting my powerline adaptor has now popped > me back onto my own network. > > I never knew this was possible. It's frightening just how insecure by > default powerline adaptors are and that I was able to see my neighbors > router web admin, just by popping in powerline adaptors. > Of course it makes theoretical sense, given the buildings are joined that I > would be sharing the same powerlines... If I was a malicious user I could > have very easily reset their router, changed the WIFI password and locked > them out, all be it until they called their ISP and reset the router but > then I could jump back on and essentially get free Internet.... > FYI my powerline adaptor was just a basic TP Link 4220 KIT and the neighbors > router was a Sky HUB. Plugging the adaptors in, and finding out the gateway > I was connected to, then popping that into the browser and I was logged into > their routers web admin without being challenged to authenticate... > > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:05 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network. > Probably due to the properties being connected. A bit of googling has told > me that I should be able to get back onto my own network by > encrypting/securing my powerline adaptors. > > Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under > administration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless > radios (wireless/professional, both/all bands)? > > Bill > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Yes this is creepy. I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is. >> There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples >> names... >> >> >> >> Barry. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM >> To: Blind sysadmins list >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue >> >> Hi, >> >> I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. >> >> So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my >> powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is >> 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to >> browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web >> admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. >> Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky >> HUB! I don't have Sky! >> I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other >> apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird >> and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was >> using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! >> >> Thanks all, >> Barry. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM >> To: Blind sysadmins list >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue >> >> Hi, >> >> To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router >> is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline >> adaptor.... >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Barry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM >> To: Blind sysadmins list >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of >> 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. >> When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the >> Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at >> the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I >> disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the >> router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or >> without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline >> adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is >> the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? >> >> At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but >> that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors >> WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from >> the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. >> >> Hope this makes sense? >> >> Cheers, >> Barry. >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Andrew Hodgson 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Hi, There is a misconception that these powerlines need a direct electric hookup between the systems in order for them to connect. They use the electric wiring as aerials and so it is perfectly possible for them to see each other even though you are on a different ring. I had a story about this a year or so back. I had taken a load of powerlines from my parents to try and sort out a network issue I had at my flat as it has thick walls, they had a load from when I lived there and they weren't using them. I plugged them in and reset them to default, and as part of this process I thought I was seeing my own network. I had existing powerlines which were encrypted. The software I was using prompted me that the powerlines needed a firmware upgrade so I went ahead with this. It took a fairly long time to complete which I was surprised about, and as part of the upgrade it said it was upgrading a wireless access point which I didn't have. The usability of the software wasn't good anyway, so I was fiddling around a bit. When the upgrades completed I attempted to get onto my router to identify DHCP leases and found I was presented with a BT hub instead. Yes I had connected to a neighbour with similar powerlines and upgraded all their kit! Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Barry Toner [barry(a)tonermail.co.uk] Sent: 15 January 2019 10:31 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, For completeness. Securing/encrypting my powerline adaptor has now popped me back onto my own network. I never knew this was possible. It's frightening just how insecure by default powerline adaptors are and that I was able to see my neighbors router web admin, just by popping in powerline adaptors. Of course it makes theoretical sense, given the buildings are joined that I would be sharing the same powerlines... If I was a malicious user I could have very easily reset their router, changed the WIFI password and locked them out, all be it until they called their ISP and reset the router but then I could jump back on and essentially get free Internet.... FYI my powerline adaptor was just a basic TP Link 4220 KIT and the neighbors router was a Sky HUB. Plugging the adaptors in, and finding out the gateway I was connected to, then popping that into the browser and I was logged into their routers web admin without being challenged to authenticate... Barry -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:05 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network. Probably due to the properties being connected. A bit of googling has told me that I should be able to get back onto my own network by encrypting/securing my powerline adaptors. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wireless/professional, both/all bands)? Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes this is creepy. I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is. There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names... > > > > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. > > So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. > Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB! I don't have Sky! > I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! > > Thanks all, > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor.... > > Thanks for any help. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue > > Hi all, > > I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. > When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? > > At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. > > Hope this makes sense? > > Cheers, > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Barry Toner 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Hi, For completeness. Securing/encrypting my powerline adaptor has now popped me back onto my own network. I never knew this was possible. It's frightening just how insecure by default powerline adaptors are and that I was able to see my neighbors router web admin, just by popping in powerline adaptors. Of course it makes theoretical sense, given the buildings are joined that I would be sharing the same powerlines... If I was a malicious user I could have very easily reset their router, changed the WIFI password and locked them out, all be it until they called their ISP and reset the router but then I could jump back on and essentially get free Internet.... FYI my powerline adaptor was just a basic TP Link 4220 KIT and the neighbors router was a Sky HUB. Plugging the adaptors in, and finding out the gateway I was connected to, then popping that into the browser and I was logged into their routers web admin without being challenged to authenticate... Barry -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:05 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, It appears my powerline adaptor has picked up my neighbors network. Probably due to the properties being connected. A bit of googling has told me that I should be able to get back onto my own network by encrypting/securing my powerline adaptors. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dengler [mailto:codeofdusk@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:43 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wireless/professional, both/all bands)? Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes this is creepy. I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is. There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names... > > > > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. > > So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. > Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB! I don't have Sky! > I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! > > Thanks all, > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor.... > > Thanks for any help. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue > > Hi all, > > I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. > When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? > > At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. > > Hope this makes sense? > > Cheers, > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by Darragh Ó Héiligh 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Thanks everyone. From Wednesday morning I would ask that everyone tweets @Thurrott with the following: #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte You could write a message like this: Because Microsoft invested in accessibility, I can use SCCM to administer thousands of workstations. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte Narrator in Windows 10 is becoming a very powerful screen reader. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte Because Microsoft works with companies like Freedom Scientific and NVAccess, Windows 10 is very accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte I administer 104,000 users in active directory. It's fully accessible. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte I'm a full stack developer thanks to Visual studio. #AccessibilityWins @Thurrott @TWiT #WindowsWeekly #LeoLaporte Windows Weekly airs again tomorrow, Wednesday. I really want the messages relating to accessibility to be clear in Paul's, Mary's and Leo's mind while they sit down to present tomorrow's show. Feel free to ask people to retweet. I agree that The OOB experience could be better. And I know I don't need to say it but just for the benefit of others, the points I was making weren't related to the OOB. Certain people who disagree with me are trying to conflate my points to associate them with frustrations around OOB but my issues are with how Paul attacked accessibility. Not the way he attacked the OOB. I'm just saying this again here. Not because I think people are misunderstanding me but because I have been misunderstood, sometimes intentionally on some other forums. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Sent: Monday 14 January 2019 20:57 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, Sorry only just got around to this now - I don't really listen to many podcasts so had to make a bit of time. I originally thought this was the Windows 10 RE mode speech we were talking about but we were talking about the OOBE. I am not sure what the end decision is on the talking OOBE now, but I agree that the way they implemented it was probably a bit dumb in the sense that everyone else I know of hates the thing and wants to get rid of it. Also if you try and use it without enabling Narrator you will have a tough time, so I think it needs addressing. However the podcast was totally wrong and the comments made were at best misguided and at worse will only serve to clarify people's misguided opinion on what people with little or no sight can do on a computer. I am not sure what the state of the talking OOBE will be going forward, but I like the way Apple do this after a while of silence, and then only giving the minimum of noise. If I can find it the BCAB (presenter me!) did a presentation on installing Windows from a completely blank disk and everyone was extremely pleased with the work that MS did. However I did do a survey afterwards about how many people would try this on their own and in a room of 40 people only 2 said they would try it actively which although I wasn't surprised, it did make me feel a bit sad. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> Sent: 14 January 2019 20:32 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, I have reposted Daragh's link to the British Computer Of The Blind Association discussion list. It is important that word is gotten out there, and that people contact Paul, Leo and the team at TWIT.tv and our voice is heard. This is an utter disgrace. I've just about calmed down, after a few hours and a fair number of cigarettes. Thank you so so much Darragh for picking up on this and addressing this. As I've said on the BCAB list, talking on the lists is grand but to effect change the guys at TWIT.tv need to hear about this. It's important that we contact them directly and that the powers that be see Darragh's BLOG and accompanying comments. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin [mailto:billy.irwin@outlook.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:12 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. I also submitted something to your blog and also sent an email to Leo directly. Best Billy L. Irwin - K9OH -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:10 PM To: jheim(a)math.wisc.edu; Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. Hi, I've submitted a reply on your BLOG. I hope it went through OK. Barry -----Original Message----- From: John G Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. I think this issue highlights a point I'veen trying to make for years. While the number of blind sys admins might be fairly small, to them, accessibility is extremely important. There probably are a lot more blind sys admins than most people realize. But having to call someone over to help you install Windows, as the podcaster suggested, is not a trivial thing. it is a matter of whether you can actually perform the job you were hired to do or not. There aren't that many tweeks Microsoft can make to Windows that can change the careers, and therefore the very lives, of a whole class of people. Accessibility problems aren't like other bugs. A typical bug doesn't make it harder for one guy to keep his job compared to another guy. A typical bug doesn't put a whole class of people at a disadvantage in the job market. On 1/14/19 5:21 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi, > > Have you had any response to paul on Twitter yet? He has responded to me a couple of times there, but this is a different point entirely. > > Andrew. > ________________________________________ > From: Darragh Ó Héiligh [d(a)digitaldarragh.com] > Sent: 14 January 2019 11:16 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > Thanks for highlighting this. > > I recorded this to hopefully get the message out that Paul Thurrott was very wrong in what he was saying. I'm hoping that they will correct him on Wednesday. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com <mhysnm1964(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday 13 January 2019 23:26 > To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Podcast on why accessibility is not a win. > > All, > > > > The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. > > > > http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurr > ott-is > -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- > blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Bill Dengler 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Are you sure your Asus router is in router mode (not WAP, look under administration)? Do the clients disappear when you turn off the wireless radios (wireless/professional, both/all bands)? Bill Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2019, at 03:43, Barry Toner <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes this is creepy. I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is. There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names... > > > > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. > > So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. > Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB! I don't have Sky! > I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! > > Thanks all, > Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue > > Hi, > > To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor.... > > Thanks for any help. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue > > Hi all, > > I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. > When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? > > At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. > > Hope this makes sense? > > Cheers, > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Podcast on why accessibility is not a win.
by mhysnm1964＠gmail.com 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

All, The below podcast I would suggest you have a listen too. The original podcast is from Windows weekly episode 603 where this host makes a large number of negative statements against accessibility for the vision impaired in windows. They are design to get an reaction. The host of the below podcast does an excellent job in highlighting the errors. http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2019/01/10/windows-weekly-603-paul-thurrott-is -so-very-wrong/#comment-49688

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Re: Strange gateway issue
by Barry Toner 15 Jan '19

15 Jan '19

Hi, Yes this is creepy. I can see the client list on whoevers SkyHubthis is. There's my Windows client, plus 8 other clients, all with the peoples names... Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:41 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, I don't mean to spam the list but I'm adding details as I discover them. So, I've just logged onto the Windows 10 pc that I have connected to my powerline adaptor. Performing an ipconfig/all I can see the gateway is 192.168.0.1. From any client connecting to my SSID and attempting to browse to 192.168.1.1 they end up on the TPLink powerline adaptor web admin, and not the Asus router that the SSID is being broadcast from. Using the Windows client if I pop the gateway 192.168.0.1 in I get a Sky HUB! I don't have Sky! I am in an apartment. Is it possible that my apartment and the other apartment are sharing wiring and that's what's happening? If so, weird and how can I get off this network and just onto my own? Also, I was using this powerline adaptor two days aago and I could access my network! Thanks all, Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Strange gateway issue Hi, To add to this. I notice that a hard drive I have connected to the router is no longer accessible on a Windows PC connected through the powerline adaptor.... Thanks for any help. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner [mailto:barry@tonermail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Strange gateway issue Hi all, I have an Asus router that has the standard gateway address of 192.168.1.1. I connected a Powerline adaptor from TP Link. When I connect to the SSID being broadcast from the router and not the Powerline adaptor, and try to browse to the routers web admin I end up at the Powerline adaptor web admin using the gateway address. However, if I disconnect the Powerline adaptor the gateway address takes me to the router as expected. All network services are working as normal with or without the Powerline adaptor. What is happening and when the Powerline adaptor is connecting and apparently stealing the gateway address where is the routers gateway or rather how is it being addressed? At first I thought the Powerline adaptor was taking over as a DHCP, but that doesn’t make sense as I haven’t configured the Powerline adaptors WIFI move, so as far as I am aware the SSID is still coming directly from the router and not the Powerline adaptor…. Hope this makes sense? Cheers, Barry. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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