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Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket
by Adrien Collins 23 Nov '12

23 Nov '12

Hi Jamie Ok I'll give it a try later, if I get stuck, being that the rnib is one of the retailers in the uk, I will ask them if need be. Thanks again. Adrien -----Original Message----- From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Cuthbertson Sent: 22 November 2012 11:22 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Adrian, I'm not absolutely sure that this is the best way but there is a form on the Plextalk website at the link below that can be used to send messages to the company. The website is at the following URL: http://www.plextalk.eu/en/top/contact/ I hope this is what you are looking for. Regards, Jamie From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: 21 November 2012 20:19 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Ok thanks, how do you contact plextalk to give feed back or request features? Adrien -----Original Message----- From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Aidan Maher Sent: 19 November 2012 18:12 To: Plextalk User Discussion List Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Five key report battery info. I don't think there is yet a way to jump so large except for rewind and forward. But you can jump buy ten minits with the ten minits option on the navigation menu, then just rewind or forward the rest of the way if its a smaller amount. On 19/11/2012, Adrien Collins <adriencollins22160(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tom > > Yes that's ok but mum says it looks like a docking station. > > Ok I have another question, I have been playing a book over > the weekend, is there any way to jump back and forwards say > 30 minutes at a time? If I want to go back I have to hold > the left and right arrow and leave it until I get to perhaps > 20 minutes, this can be a bit tedious. > > Also is there any way of knowing if the battery is fully > charged? > > Adrien > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk > [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Thomas Lutes > Sent: 18 November 2012 21:43 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket > > Hi Adrien, > Regarding the grill, the manual doesn't mention it. It is my > guess that it > is to allow air to circulate in the battery compartment, in > case it gets > warm during recharge. > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160(a)gmail.com> > To: "'Plextalk User Discussion List'" > <plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:40 PM > Subject: [Plextalk] question about my pocket > > >> Hi >> >> I noticed something I have not seen before on my plextalk >> pocket before, on the bottom between the usb and ac socket >> is a kind of grill, what is this please, it is the first >> time I have seen it. >> >> Adrien >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7717 (20121121) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7717 (20121121) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7719 (20121122) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk

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Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket
by Adrien Collins 23 Nov '12

23 Nov '12

Hi Jamie Yes I hadn't thought of their reasoning behind not making the charging socket available when charging the pocket, I have noticed it does get warmer than say the victor stream when charging it up. And yes navigating is essential but being that I use both and the victor stream the most, I often forget that the navigating features are there, I should use the pocket more. Thanks. Adrien -----Original Message----- From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Cuthbertson Sent: 22 November 2012 11:09 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Adrian, To be honest, getting to know how to use the Navigation Menu when you are in a book or other item is vital to you being able to get the most out of any DAISY player. Below I have copied a section from the User Guide that you might find helpful. Regarding your question about the case, I think there are other cases but personally I think that it is a deliberate move by Plextor that you cannot plug in your power when it is in the case. I think this is to reduce the risk of the unit over heating during the charging process. Anyway, here comes the text from the User Guide about using the Navigation Menu: 10.7. Accessing the Navigation menu. One of the most useful features of PLEXTALK is the ability to choose how you want to navigate. This is done by using the Navigation Menu which is available to you at any time unless you are already in the Main Menu system. To use the Navigation Menu, do the following: * Assuming that you are not recording or in the Main Menu system, use the Up or Down keys to move upwards or downwards. The items you hear spoken are the options available to you from the Navigation Menu at that time. * The available options will vary depending on what kind of contents you are using and the structure of the data. For example, on a DAISY titles, if the book does not have pages coded into it, the "Page" option will not appear on the Navigation Menu. On an Audio Files, if there is only one album, there will be no "Album" option on the Navigation Menu. In essence, PLEXTALK will only offer you navigation options that are appropriate to you at that time. * Having selected your preferred navigation method, you can now use your Left or Right key to move backwards or forwards at your chosen level of navigation. For example, when using the built in User's Guide, if you go to the "Level 1" option with your Up or Down key, and then use your Left or Right key, you will be able to move backwards or forwards to the next Level 1 heading. Note: The default navigation level for DAISY titles is "Level 1", for Audio File is "Track" and for Text File is "Paragraph". Currently selected navigation levels are not saved when you shut down PLEXTALK. Note: If you do not know what navigation is available to you in a particular item, use the Up or Down key to quickly find out. Hope this helps, Jamie From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: 21 November 2012 20:26 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Jamie Ok thanks, yes I worked out how to use the 5 function but I think having a battery fully charged message would be useful. The navigation is something I have never played with although have seen it when trying to find my way around the plextalk. Just one more question, is there a better case than the one that plextalk supply, I find it annoying having to take my player out of the case to charge it up, I prefer to keep them in their cases in case I drop them. Adrien -----Original Message----- From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Cuthbertson Sent: 19 November 2012 18:14 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Adrian, The answers to your questions are as follows: 1. To move back or forward 30 minute chunks in your book, the easiest way is to select the 10 minute jump option from the Navigation Menu and then just press the Back or Forward keys 3 times. If you use the Up and Down keys when you are playing the book, you should get the 10 minute option along with a 30 second option and various other options for ways to navigate your book. 2. Check the battery level by pressing the No5 key (the one with the small bump on it). Your Pocket will announce various information but starting with the battery level. If you don't want to listen to all the rest of the information, just press the Play/Stop button. Also, make sure the unit is not connected to the mains at the time as it will just tell you that the battery is charging and won't give an indication of the current level f charge. Hope this helps, Jamie From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: 19 November 2012 15:31 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Tom Yes that's ok but mum says it looks like a docking station. Ok I have another question, I have been playing a book over the weekend, is there any way to jump back and forwards say 30 minutes at a time? If I want to go back I have to hold the left and right arrow and leave it until I get to perhaps 20 minutes, this can be a bit tedious. Also is there any way of knowing if the battery is fully charged? Adrien -----Original Message----- From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Lutes Sent: 18 November 2012 21:43 To: Plextalk User Discussion List Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Adrien, Regarding the grill, the manual doesn't mention it. It is my guess that it is to allow air to circulate in the battery compartment, in case it gets warm during recharge. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160(a)gmail.com> To: "'Plextalk User Discussion List'" <plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: [Plextalk] question about my pocket > Hi > > I noticed something I have not seen before on my plextalk > pocket before, on the bottom between the usb and ac socket > is a kind of grill, what is this please, it is the first > time I have seen it. > > Adrien > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7708 (20121119) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7708 (20121119) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7717 (20121121) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7717 (20121121) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk

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Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket
by Peter Wilkins 22 Nov '12

22 Nov '12

I charge my Plextalk Pocket whilst it is in its case. I simply slide the unit a little way out of its case, so there is room to push the mains lead in at the bottom. I also use my PTP on the mains when at home and recording from the radio, so the battery is always ready when needed. I always leave the unit in the case, just sticking out a little when on the mains. PETER

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Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket
by Adrien Collins 22 Nov '12

22 Nov '12

Hi Jamie Ok thanks, yes I worked out how to use the 5 function but I think having a battery fully charged message would be useful. The navigation is something I have never played with although have seen it when trying to find my way around the plextalk. Just one more question, is there a better case than the one that plextalk supply, I find it annoying having to take my player out of the case to charge it up, I prefer to keep them in their cases in case I drop them. Adrien -----Original Message----- From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Cuthbertson Sent: 19 November 2012 18:14 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Adrian, The answers to your questions are as follows: 1. To move back or forward 30 minute chunks in your book, the easiest way is to select the 10 minute jump option from the Navigation Menu and then just press the Back or Forward keys 3 times. If you use the Up and Down keys when you are playing the book, you should get the 10 minute option along with a 30 second option and various other options for ways to navigate your book. 2. Check the battery level by pressing the No5 key (the one with the small bump on it). Your Pocket will announce various information but starting with the battery level. If you don't want to listen to all the rest of the information, just press the Play/Stop button. Also, make sure the unit is not connected to the mains at the time as it will just tell you that the battery is charging and won't give an indication of the current level f charge. Hope this helps, Jamie From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Adrien Collins Sent: 19 November 2012 15:31 To: 'Plextalk User Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Tom Yes that's ok but mum says it looks like a docking station. Ok I have another question, I have been playing a book over the weekend, is there any way to jump back and forwards say 30 minutes at a time? If I want to go back I have to hold the left and right arrow and leave it until I get to perhaps 20 minutes, this can be a bit tedious. Also is there any way of knowing if the battery is fully charged? Adrien -----Original Message----- From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Lutes Sent: 18 November 2012 21:43 To: Plextalk User Discussion List Subject: Re: [Plextalk] question about my pocket Hi Adrien, Regarding the grill, the manual doesn't mention it. It is my guess that it is to allow air to circulate in the battery compartment, in case it gets warm during recharge. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160(a)gmail.com> To: "'Plextalk User Discussion List'" <plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: [Plextalk] question about my pocket > Hi > > I noticed something I have not seen before on my plextalk > pocket before, on the bottom between the usb and ac socket > is a kind of grill, what is this please, it is the first > time I have seen it. > > Adrien > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7708 (20121119) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7708 (20121119) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Plextalk mailing list Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk

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question about my pocket
by Adrien Collins 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Hi I noticed something I have not seen before on my plextalk pocket before, on the bottom between the usb and ac socket is a kind of grill, what is this please, it is the first time I have seen it. Adrien

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plextalk linio pocket
by Aidan Maher 15 Nov '12

15 Nov '12

This is what plextalk announced today: > For Immediate Release > > Shinano Kenshi Introduces PLEXTALK Linio Pocket > > The world's first portable DAISY online player and recorder > > > Brussels - 9 November 2012, Shinano Kenshi Europe today introduced the > PLEXTALK Linio Pocket, the world's first portable DAISY online player > and recorder, designed for the visually impaired and dyslexic to > stream or download talking newspapers, magazines and books online. > "PLEXTALK Linio Pocket is the smartest talking book player that we've > ever developed in our long experience as a patent company and > contributor to the global DAISY standard." said Marc Van der Aa, the > sales manager of the assistive technology sales division. "We've > designed a device with various advanced capabilities, thin and light > weight with 8GB internal memory. You can immediately access any > materials of your interest online wherever you have an Internet > connection to a DAISY online service. It's not necessary any more to > wait for a CD to be delivered or need a computer. We believe it will > significantly help customers to reinvent their independent and brilliant life." > > The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket is one of the most robust DAISY players and > recorders in the world, with its resin case it absorbs shocks and has > passed a drop test from 150cm onto a steel floor, and a newly designed > beautiful midnight blue color. The key layout is designed to cover all > capabilities only using a finger or your thumb, with separated cross > keys and numeric keys for intuitive navigation on the drip-proof > keypad, which protects against liquids spills. > > The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket introduces enhanced audio features including > the high-quality Acapela text to speech engine for highly natural > narration with the choice of two voices, and PLEXVoice technology > guarantees optimal sound quality in lower and higher speed playback, > the built-in speaker is optimized to offer clear sound especially for > the human voice, and the built-in microphone provides auto gain > control system for recording in DAISY format. Users can also take > advantage of the advanced full editing functionalities of the PLEXTALK > Recording software, free of charge for buyers of the PLEXTALK Linio Pocket. > > The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket offers immediate access to DAISY online > services in countries such as Finland, The Netherlands, Denmark, > Belgium and Japan and more countries in the near future. The PLEXTALK > Linio Pocket has access to web radio stations and podcasts through the > built-in high speed wireless Internet connection, and detects > automatically wireless network access points and security mode. A > variety of content is supported such as EPUB and PDF*. Flexible data > management by using intuitive commands to drag and drop any content > from your personal computers to the PLEXTALK Linio Pocket by using > Windows Explorer, or use the intuitively operational PLEXTALK transfer > software. The PLEXTALK Linio Pocket also features advanced time management capabilities such as calendar and alarm functions*. > *Available soon with a free firmware upgrade. > > > Availability > > PLEXTALK Linio Pocket will roll out in December in the following > languages Dutch, English, German and Russian. The other languages will > follow suit by free firmware upgrade. > >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

Thank you very much. I appreciate this from my hart. Make sense. I'm glad prs is so easy to use. On 14/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > When you record onto a CF card on the PTR2, and subsequently choose to > dispose of unwanted audio files, I think I'm correct in saying that it only > disposes of audio files that are not referenced at all by the edited > project. If any part of an audio file is still required in the project, > the > entire audio file is retained. In other words, the process of disposing of > these audio files is certainly not equivalent to running an audio export > using the PRS software. > > To my knowledge, the only way to have audio files that exactly match the > final edited audio in each section of a project is to perform the Audio > Export function in the PRS software - there is no way of doing this on the > hardware players. > > As far as I know, you are correct about the build book process being part > of > the finalising of the CD. If you have recorded a title onto the CF card, I > don't think there is any equivalent that can be used to prepare the project > for playback on another device - I think the hardware Build Book process > came in in later players. If this is correct, I think the only way to > finish off a project recorded on a CF card is to either take it over to > PRS. > In any case, for the reasons given before, this is a good plan anyway to > use > the PRS and to perform an Audio Export if you want an end product which is > playable on the largest possible number of devices. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 16:13 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've > ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing > furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 > handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have > a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can > finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, > but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use > it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 > make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the > media management menu? > > On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi again Aidan, >> >> OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been >> a >> long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... >> >> The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required >> during >> the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution >> CD, >> you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you >> choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose >> to >> do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. >> >> In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be >> audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing > with >> cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different >> from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... >> >> Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, > the >> project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then >> decide >> to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or >> moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it > just >> the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external >> DAISY >> players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio >> files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the >> way >> you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able > to >> tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings >> for >> doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to >> finish >> >> If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always > best >> to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process >> collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are >> made >> up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this >> is >> done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. >> The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out >> of >> the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and > the >> files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio >> files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be > your >> original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - >> this >> is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about >> the >> edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be >> named >> in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many > sections >> there are. >> >> I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further >> explanation. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jamie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 >> To: Plextalk User Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something >> new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is >> that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on >> cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain >> there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if >> I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, >> then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore >> because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you >> export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove >> unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run >> it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so >> it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution >> copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it >> that way. Hope I make sense. >> >> On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> Hi Aidan, >>> >>> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >>> >>> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >>> and >>> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >>> >>> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >>> the >>> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >>> more >>> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >>> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >>> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML >> and >>> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD >> and >>> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >>> less >>> necessary. >>> >>> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >>> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >>> time >>> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >>> loading a project for editing. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Aidan Maher >>> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >>> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >>> >>> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >>> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >>> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >>> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >>> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >>> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7685 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7690 (20121114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

Thank you very much. I appreciate this from my hart. Make sense. I'm glad prs is so easy to use. On 14/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > When you record onto a CF card on the PTR2, and subsequently choose to > dispose of unwanted audio files, I think I'm correct in saying that it only > disposes of audio files that are not referenced at all by the edited > project. If any part of an audio file is still required in the project, > the > entire audio file is retained. In other words, the process of disposing of > these audio files is certainly not equivalent to running an audio export > using the PRS software. > > To my knowledge, the only way to have audio files that exactly match the > final edited audio in each section of a project is to perform the Audio > Export function in the PRS software - there is no way of doing this on the > hardware players. > > As far as I know, you are correct about the build book process being part > of > the finalising of the CD. If you have recorded a title onto the CF card, I > don't think there is any equivalent that can be used to prepare the project > for playback on another device - I think the hardware Build Book process > came in in later players. If this is correct, I think the only way to > finish off a project recorded on a CF card is to either take it over to > PRS. > In any case, for the reasons given before, this is a good plan anyway to > use > the PRS and to perform an Audio Export if you want an end product which is > playable on the largest possible number of devices. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 16:13 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've > ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing > furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 > handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have > a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can > finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, > but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use > it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 > make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the > media management menu? > > On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi again Aidan, >> >> OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been >> a >> long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... >> >> The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required >> during >> the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution >> CD, >> you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you >> choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose >> to >> do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. >> >> In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be >> audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing > with >> cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different >> from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... >> >> Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, > the >> project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then >> decide >> to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or >> moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it > just >> the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external >> DAISY >> players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio >> files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the >> way >> you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able > to >> tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings >> for >> doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to >> finish >> >> If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always > best >> to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process >> collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are >> made >> up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this >> is >> done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. >> The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out >> of >> the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and > the >> files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio >> files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be > your >> original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - >> this >> is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about >> the >> edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be >> named >> in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many > sections >> there are. >> >> I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further >> explanation. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jamie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 >> To: Plextalk User Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something >> new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is >> that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on >> cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain >> there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if >> I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, >> then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore >> because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you >> export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove >> unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run >> it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so >> it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution >> copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it >> that way. Hope I make sense. >> >> On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> Hi Aidan, >>> >>> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >>> >>> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >>> and >>> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >>> >>> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >>> the >>> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >>> more >>> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >>> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >>> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML >> and >>> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD >> and >>> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >>> less >>> necessary. >>> >>> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >>> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >>> time >>> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >>> loading a project for editing. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Aidan Maher >>> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >>> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >>> >>> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >>> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >>> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >>> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >>> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >>> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plextalk mailing list >>> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7685 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7690 (20121114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 14 Nov '12

14 Nov '12

Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the media management menu? On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been a > long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... > > The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required during > the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution > CD, > you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you > choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose > to > do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. > > In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be > audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing with > cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different > from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... > > Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, the > project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then > decide > to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or > moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it just > the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external > DAISY > players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio > files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the way > you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able to > tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings > for > doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to finish > > If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always best > to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process > collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are > made > up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this > is > done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. > The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out of > the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and the > files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio > files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be your > original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - this > is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about > the > edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be > named > in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many sections > there are. > > I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further > explanation. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something > new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is > that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on > cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain > there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if > I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, > then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore > because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you > export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove > unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run > it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so > it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution > copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it > that way. Hope I make sense. > > On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi Aidan, >> >> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >> >> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >> and >> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >> >> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >> the >> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >> more >> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML > and >> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD > and >> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >> less >> necessary. >> >> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >> time >> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >> loading a project for editing. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Jamie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7685 (20121112) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs
by Aidan Maher 13 Nov '12

13 Nov '12

Hi, thank you very much. You are one of the most helpfull people I've ever delt with. I really appreciate that. Defnitly werth playing furder and think about it. Just one last thing then, how does the ptr2 handle these files, because unlike the newer players it does not have a build book option as far as I noes. Yes when doing a cd you can finalize it, and then probibly the necessary ajustments will be made, but if you only record and edit a title on cf card and you want to use it on other players how would you then go about it? Or will the ptr2 make the ajustments if you choose to remove unnecessary audio from the media management menu? On 13/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi again Aidan, > > OK, I don't know for sure if I am answering your questions and it's been a > long time since I last checked my facts but I'll give it a try.... > > The .IMTD files are intermediate files and are really only required during > the editing process and that's why, if you choose to burn a Distribution > CD, > you should find that the IMTD files are not included on the CD. If you > choose to burn a Master CD, the files will be included in case you choose > to > do further editing or work on the project at a later stage. > > In terms of what happens when you do an audio export, there may well be > audio files with the same names but, if you have done a lot of editing with > cutting and pasting, the audio file content will be completely different > from before running the audio export. I'll try to explain.... > > Imagine that you do a recording and, when you finish the basic process, the > project has 4 audio files called A0001.MP3 up to A0004.MP3. You then > decide > to do a lot of editing involving chopping out bits of audio completely or > moving clips of audio around in the structure of the project to get it just > the way you want. You now build your book and can play it on external > DAISY > players. At this stage, the audio files will be exactly the same audio > files as you originally recorded. The reason that the title plays the way > you have edited it is because the HTML files and the SMIL files are able to > tell the player which pieces of which audio file to play and the timings > for > doing this - it is not simply playing the audio files from start to finish > > If you really want a nice clean project and output files, it is always best > to run an audio export when the editing is finished because the process > collects all the edits and creates completely new audio files which are > made > up according to how you want the project to sound when played. When this > is > done, you will get a new audio file for each section within your project. > The nice thing about this is that you can then lift the audio files out of > the DAISY structure, for playback on perhaps a standard MP3 player, and the > files should sound correct and not be just the originally recorded audio > files. If you don't run an audio export, the audio files will just be your > original recordings without any editing appearing to have been done - this > is because without the HTML and SMIL files, a player knows nothing about > the > edits that you have done. The audio files will also, in this case, be > named > in the same way i.e. "A0001.MP3" and upwards depending on how many sections > there are. > > I hope this makes some sense. Get back to me if you want any further > explanation. > > Regards, > > Jamie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf > Of Aidan Maher > Sent: 13 November 2012 09:29 > To: Plextalk User Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs > > Hi, thank you very much, this make sense and now I learn something > new. I appreciate that. But now, the other thing that I wunder, is > that when I am done with my project, and lets say I won't use it on > cd, why does the project ncc.imd file along with a few others remain > there. I mean shouldn't they make a way to get rid of those because if > I want to use it on another player by only copying it to the player, > then it take up more space and those files are not needed anymore > because the books are already builded. They said in the manual if you > export the project audio to a new project, it will also remove > unnecessary audio or other files perhaps also, but I found after I run > it, that I stil see those project files and also "medda data.ini" so > it seems those files only get removed when burnig the distrubution > copy on cd. It wil stay on the master copy if you select to burn it > that way. Hope I make sense. > > On 12/11/2012, Jamie Cuthbertson <jamie.cuthbertson(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Hi Aidan, >> >> The two files have fundamentally different roles. >> >> The NCC.HTML file is essentially like the table of contents of the title >> and >> has links to the main features like the headings etc. >> >> The DISCINFO.HTML file is used by players accessing the CD to find where >> the >> DAISY titles are stored. This is particularly important when there are >> more >> than one title on a single disc. For example, if you have titles in >> Folder1, Folder2 and Folder3, the DISCINFO.HTML file will pass this >> information to the player so it can identify where to find the NCC.HTML > and >> all the other files for each title. If there is only one title on a CD > and >> all the files are in the root directory, the DISCINFO.HTML file becomes >> less >> necessary. >> >> Until you run the burning process, there is no requirement for a >> DOISCINFO.HTML file because you can only work on one DAISY title at a >> time >> with the PRS software and you locate the NCC file manually when you are >> loading a project for editing. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Jamie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Plextalk [mailto:plextalk-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aidan Maher >> Sent: 12 November 2012 13:13 >> To: plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> Subject: [Plextalk] Burning cd's with prs >> >> Hi all, I have burned a project with prs, and I chose to burn it as a >> distrubution copy. So now, why is it that the project only contain an >> "ncc.html" file after building the book, but when burning the cd, both >> the "ncc.html" and also the "disinfo.html" file also are created. I >> thought its only one of the too wich get used at a time, or are the >> disinfo file only for cd's? Thank you for any help on this. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 7684 (20121112) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Plextalk mailing list >> Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >> > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7685 (20121112) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plextalk mailing list > Plextalk(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/plextalk >

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