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Losing focus in terminal all the time
by Andrew Hodgson 21 Dec '23

21 Dec '23

Hi. Latest JFW and Windows 11 builds on multiple machines, I lose speech output in the terminal or command prompt when navigating to and from the window. What I mean by this is I am not hearing the output of commands or what I am typing into the window. This is really starting to stress me out now and I can't believe I am the only person experiencing it. Its been happening since the beginning of the year since a Windows update I think. Any suggestions? Thanks. Andrew.

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CCNA Exam, packet tracer
by David Mehler 26 Jul '23

26 Jul '23

Hello, Do we have anyone who has taken and/or passed the CCNA exam? If so how did you handle packet tracer? Is it accessible? Thanks. Dave.

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Output of continuous integration (CI) systems
by Andrew Hodgson 05 Jul '23

05 Jul '23

Hi. Anyone got any tips for accessing the console output from a CI system job run? I'm talking about Azure Devops and Github Actions which both have the same issues. I have fairly verbose jobs that I need to get info from fairly quickly. Back in the golden days I could open the console output from the job in Edge or whatever and do a find on page using JFW's find feature, and the piece of text I wanted would come up and I could arrow around to read the log. These days both of these systems are doing something different. I typically can't just do a search anymore on the log window. In Azure Devops I can view a raw log, but it has timestamps which I have to skip through in order to get to what I want. In Github actions I have to download the log locally and go through it there. Arrowing through the log in the log viewer doesn't help either, I can sometimes turn off virtual PC cursor and get text out that way. Even worse is when I want to copy text from the log to the clipboard, its virtually impossible for me to select what I want and do ctrl+c to get it in the clipboard and elsewhere. Anyone got any tips for navigating these systems? Thanks. Andrew.

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The scale of software accessibility
by Samuel Barnes 01 Jul '23

01 Jul '23

Here's something a little different. I've been kicking around the idea of a numeric score to grade the accessibility of software. It still needs work, but this is what I have so far: 0. Deliberately inaccessible: The developer purposely hinders the program's accessibility. Example: Some books on Amazon kindle will specifically announce their incompatibility with screen readers. (I'm guessing this is fallout from the Authors' Guild complaining about the Kindle's use of TTS supposedly cutting into audio book sales). 1. Completely inaccessible. The program cannot be used by screen readers. Example: old Flash and Java apps. 2. Accidentally accessible. Some parts may be accessible thanks to the various software libraries or platform used, but the devs aren't deliberately trying to make the software accessible. Often this accessibility is only achievable through workarounds. Example: Navigating from comment to comment on Reddit requires you to jump from downvote button to downvote button. 3. Acknowledged inaccessibility. The devs know the software is inaccessible, and acknowledge it in some way by pointing to 3rd party workarounds or alternative software that is accessible. Example: VanDyke software (who makes SecureCRT) just has a page pointing to some 3rd party JAWS scripts. 4. Mostly accessible. The program is usable enough to rely on in a workflow, and the devs make an effort to keep things from breaking, but accessibility bugs aren't given the same level of care as other issues. Example: Microsoft Office. 5. Accessible. Every part of the user experience is accessible. The devs may even pay attention to little details like sound cues and button colors. But as above, sometimes issues arise and aren't dealt with as quickly as one would like. Example: some of Apple's first party apps. 6. Completely accessible. Not only is every part of the software accessible, but any bugs that hinder accessibility are treated with the same urgency as bugs that would hinder the software's usability for the general public. An update is never shipped unless accessibility has been confirmed. Example: I literally can't think of one. So yeah, just a bit of fun. What do you think?

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Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time
by Ryan Shugart 26 Jun '23

26 Jun '23

Hi all: How long has this been happening? Has anyone reported this to the Enterprise Disability Answer Desk<mailto:edad@microsoft.com> at MS, obviously if this is a JAWS issue they won’t be able to do much and Glen is seeing this already, but if this is a Microsoft issue it’d help to at least have an EDAD ticket I could use if we need to track that team down. Thanks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io <mailto:andrew@hodgson.io>> Reply-To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Date: Monday, June 26, 2023 at 4:09 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi. For me this isn't resolved by alt+tab, though running Terminal as an admin is fixing it for me. I will try the suggestions you have written here as a desperation attempt because this is so bad. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Gordon <GGordon(a)Vispero.com <mailto:GGordon@Vispero.com>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 7:47 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi, Darragh and Andrew, Sorry to hear that you're having issues with this. If I were seeing it, I'd go absolutely nuts, and I'll do my best to help get it resolved. Does it happen seemingly out of nowhere where the echoing of command output works and then suddenly stops, or does something seem to provoke it? When it happens, does doing a SayLine on the line you're editing work or is that broken too? I ask because my suspicion is that something like an incoming email notification is briefly stealing focus away from Terminal and then putting it back, but JAWS no longer thinks that focus is in an area where we should automatically speak newly written text. Darragh's comment that Alt+Tabbing away and back temporarily resolves the issue is in line with this theory. The next time this happens, will you try the following: Turn on JAWS HomeRow/Utility Mode with JAWSKey+Windows+NumPad minus. It's a toggle, so pressing it a second time will turn it off. While in HomeRow mode, press Control+F12. This will dump a bunch of information about the control with focus and its ancestors to the virtual buffer. Escape will get you back to Terminal. If things are failing in the way I suspect, this info will be slightly different in the failure case than when things are working. Feel free to send me the output for inspection. And by all means, let me know anything else that you think might figure into the problem. Thanks --Glen -----Original Message----- From: Darragh Ó Héiligh <d(a)digitaldarragh.com <mailto:d@digitaldarragh.com>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 12:39 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time CAUTION: This email originated outside Vispero. Do not click links, open attachments or forward unless you recognize the sender. Happening to me as well. I usually need to alt tab away and back again before speech returns. I don't know if it's also happening with NVDA. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io <mailto:andrew@hodgson.io>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 11:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi. Latest JFW and Windows 11 builds on multiple machines, I lose speech output in the terminal or command prompt when navigating to and from the window. What I mean by this is I am not hearing the output of commands or what I am typing into the window. This is really starting to stress me out now and I can't believe I am the only person experiencing it. Its been happening since the beginning of the year since a Windows update I think. Any suggestions? Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>

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Burning Optical Media from an ISO
by Steve Matzura 14 Jun '23

14 Jun '23

There are many choices in the Debian wiki at https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd, but of course the overarching question is, which is accessible or which is the best choice? To save you the time in looking up the names, they are: growisofs, cdrskin xorriso wodim was also listed, but there's a caveat against burning DVD's, which I will definitely need to do, and Blu-ray Discs, in which I'm not interested anyway.

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Cloudflare dns, and tls
by David Mehler 08 Jun '23

08 Jun '23

Hllo, Is anyone using Cloudflare? I'm looking for help/clarification on dns and tls. Thanks. Dave.

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edit/select combo box extreme difficulties
by David Mehler 04 Jun '23

04 Jun '23

Hello, The specific I'm going to call it an HTML5 edit/select combo box I'm talking about is specifically on Cloudflare, but any of these will work for the purposes of this question. I'm using the latest NVDA/chrome combo and I was on cloudflare atempting first to fill out there add a payment method form, second transferring a domain, but the specifics don't matter I mention them in case you want to see the specifics of where I was. I encountered what I think is an HTML5 edit/select combo box that's probably coded right and it might be my unfamiliarness that's preventing me from easily selecting items. I can fill out regular combo boxes no problem but this one first thing you get is selec, then it says press down arrow while in the edit field to open up a menu, press enter to select, escape to close the menu, tab to select and close the menu. I've tried this with both NVDA+space on and off it was not easy to do. There were two of them, the second one had two options one starting with a b the other with a p, so no problem. The first one which was the problem and which took me many frustrating hours to get, and I feel I got it by dumb luck/trial/error has a list of countries, obviously I want to select United States since that's where I am. In the edit/combo box I can start typing the word united and I'll eventually get two options, the first for "United States minor outlying islands" the second is "United States" I want the second one. So I tried hitting space, tab, enter, insert+space on and off and when I had one it would say "United States minor outlying islands" it was not easy to get. If anyone has anything on these specific controls please let me know, I have to do four more before the project that got me going is done and I'd prefer not to punt, peck, and pray to get it right for a day or more each. Thanks. Dave.

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Cloudflare?
by David Mehler 04 Jun '23

04 Jun '23

Hello, If anyone is using Cloudflare services in either there free or pro options please get in touch with me. I am interested in getting some questions answered about your experience. Thanks. Dave.

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Best accessible Syslog analyser and/or server?
by Steve Nutt 01 Jun '23

01 Jun '23

Hi all, Does anyone know of a good Syslog server and analyser for Windows please? I can produce syslogs from my router, with no problem, but wading through them for errors is tedious. What would be ideal, would be if the server could alert me by Email or otherwise, of errors, as they happen. Thanks all for help. All the best Steve -- To subscribe to our News and Special Offers list, go to <https://www.comproom.co.uk/subscribe> https://www.comproom.co.uk/subscribe Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW T: +44(0)1438-742286 M: +44(0)7956-334938 F: +44(0)1438-759589 E: <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk> steve(a)comproom.co.uk W: <https://www.comproom.co.uk> https://www.comproom.co.uk

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