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use dos and windows3.1 forever
by Josh k 22 Dec '14

22 Dec '14

hey want to use dos and windows3.1 for real? want to use a virtual braille n speak piped through ESpeak? go here and read this forum post. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=14911

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Installing Jaws from an MSI package.
by Anatoliy Shudrya 20 Dec '14

20 Dec '14

Darragh, Were you able to figure out how to do deployment of JAWS with MSI package? This is something I'm interesting to accomplish. I did not find any responces in the archives. It would be such a time saver if this could be done. New version is out, and it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to deploy it with GPO. P.S. Is there a way to bring up archived topic alive, how would I do it properly? Thanks Anatoliy Hello, I am in the process of attempting to role out Jaws 10 to every computer in a domain via group policy. This should be possible however when I obtain the MSI file from the temp directory after the set up file has run, the resulting installation of JFW will not run. It instead complains that a file required for eloq.jls is missing. Can you suggest what may be wrong here? My thinking is that a parameter is passed to the MSI file from the jaws set up executable that instructs it to install a synthesizer component but when the MSI file is run independently outside the set up package it does not install everything required for Eloquents to run correctly. Do any of you have any suggestions? Thanks Darragh .Previous message: [Blind-sysadmins] HP Smart Media Server and WindowEyes .Next message: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft Hotfix problem . Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Blind-sysadmins mailing list

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Intel AMT and vPro
by Anatoliy Shudrya 19 Dec '14

19 Dec '14

My apologies, I did google it afterwards and got my answer, sorry again. There is though interesting technology that cut my eye, it might be the future of accessible BIOS. Intel vPro and Intel AMT, supposedly allows remotely to control the system, power it up, reboot, control BIOS, KVM, remotely install OS etc. I haven't tried it yet with any of the screen readers, but something that I will definitely play with in the near future. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 2:55 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers Anatolay, This question has been asked about a million times. Sorry if I'm coming across a bit harsh but people have done a lot of research into making a BIOS accessible. I suggest you go google this question. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Anatoliy Shudrya Sent: 18 December 2014 18:58 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers Are these hardware synthesizers capable of making BIOS accessible? I got to IT with software synthesizers only and never had a change to work with one of the hardware once. Always wondered if it worse the effort to invest in one of the hardware synth to be able working on the BIOS level when needed. Do they have one with USB connection? Sorry it's kind of off the topic. Anatoliy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:44 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers Oh they are. I still prefer Eloquence for basic computing where I have the speech cranked up though. But for pleasure reading, the more human-sounding voices for sure. At 01:38 PM 12/18/2014, you wrote: >I had the Artic business vision and before that an Echo 2E later on the >Dectalk. > >Love that these are things of the past, they sounded good (dectalk did >anyway) but software synths are miles ahead in my opinion. > > >On Dec 18, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8(a)cogeco.ca> wrote: > > > am I the only one who misses the Accent synth > and ASAP on dos machines? Most found Accent to be too stacato, but I > really liked it at fast speeds. Same goes for Artic. > > > > > > At 01:06 PM 12/18/2014, you wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Not really to me - Apollo has a very > distinctive voice. I wish it could be reserected. Those were the > days that the hardware synth manufacturers had several different > variants of their synths - Dolphin for example had an internal Apollo > ISA card, the two external Apollos/Junos and the PCMCIA Gemini card. > >> > >> Andrew. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 17:13 > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> But the voice in orpheus tts sound verry verry verry like apollo > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh > >> Sent: den 18 december 2014 18:09 > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> NO. Not really. Similar though. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 17:08 > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> But them have same voice? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson > >> Sent: den 18 december 2014 18:00 > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Juno is smaller, has a slightly inferior > speaker and can be powered by battery where as Apollo is external > powered synth. > >> > >> Andrew. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 16:38 > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Hm? Juno and appollo are the same? > >> Or what are different > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh > >> Sent: den 18 december 2014 17:19 > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Vic, > >> I was the same to a certain extent. When I > started, I had a Juno and an Apollo 2. > >> > >> I lived with Hal 4 for years! I mean > years. I must have used it from 1993 to 2003 when I needed to do > something in Dos. > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 15:57 > >> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Well, back then the Braille n' Speak was an > OK note taker. We didn't have much to choose from when it came to portability. > >> > >> It also worked as double duty as a portable > synthesizer. For example when taking a course where the classroom was > a computer lab. If you had text to speech software that you could > install on one of the classroom computers the BnS worked as a > synthesizer. Remember there was a time when we didn't have access to > software synthesizers. Many of us taking networking courses, classes > that required the use of terminal emulation programs to access minis, > mainframes etc. or anything else that used a computer we had to be > flexible and creative to make those classroom environments work for > us. > If we expected the training companies and instructors to set all that > up for us, we would have been waiting for a very very long time. > >> > >> A friend of mine uses the following statement often: > >> > >> "I used to be plastic, but now I am elastic." > >> > >> I like that saying, because it demonstrates > how a little flexibility can go a long way > >> > >> Vic Pereira > >> Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada > >> 9-111 Lombard Avenue > >> Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 > >> Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> 204-781-5046 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra > >> Sent: December-18-14 9:39 AM > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > >> But why would anyone want a $695 speech synthesizer > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:03 AM > >> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > >> The Blazie products also worked as speech > synthesizers that could be connected to a serial port and accessed by > text to speech software. > >> > >> Vic Pereira > >> Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada > >> 9-111 Lombard Avenue > >> Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 > >> Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> 204-781-5046 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: December-17-14 5:57 PM > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > >> but braille an speak are hardware? > >> On 2014-12-17 15:59, vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca wrote: > >> > Hello Katherine > >> > > >> > Some of us curmudgeons can put up with a lot of bad synthesized speech. > >> When one is brought up on TriFormations FSST > dumb terminals, Type n' Talk, Blazie Braille n' > Speak etc. a lot of these software synthesizers aren't too shabby. > >> > > >> > Also, you made a comment regarding the look of a UI. When someone > >> > has > >> useable vision, the look of an application > is as important to them as the quality of synthetic speech is to some > of us. > >> > > >> > Vic Pereira > >> > Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada > >> > 9-111 Lombard Avenue > >> > Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 > >> > Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> > 204-781-5046 > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On > >> > Behalf Of Katherine Moss > >> > Sent: December-16-14 6:58 PM > >> > To: Blind sysadmins list > >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote > >> > access > >> > > >> > I've never tried Teamviewer and NVDA, but I've heard the audio > >> > from my > >> friend's side when he uses Teamviewer to > access my computer, and let me tell you, it sounds like crap. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On > >> > Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose > >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:48 PM > >> > To: Blind sysadmins list > >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote > >> > access > >> > > >> > It sounds like it will be a good solution for blind on blind > >> > support so to > >> speak & a blind person supporting a sighted > friend. ISTM that corporations who also have sighted administrators > will still have to deploy another remote access solution on top of > this one though as it doesn't support video & I got the impression > that they're not intending to make it into a fully featured remote > administration tool. > >> > Never the less, I'll be contributing to their campain as it's > >> > noticeabley > >> better than TeamViewer & NVDA which is what > I'm having to use for people at the moment. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Ben. > >> > > >> > On 12/16/14, Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss(a)gordon.edu> wrote: > >> >> Now that's awesome? not to mention, best programmers out there > >> >> to do the job; everything I've purchased from Christopher, and > >> >> I've nearly bought all of his stuff; I intend to finish those > >> >> purchases off soon; > >> >> I can't tell you how much productivity and joy I've gotten out > >> >> of them. I use QRead and Chicken Nugget on the daily. If those > >> >> are good, > >> >> then I can only imagine what this will do; hopefully it will be > >> >> good for both client OS and server OS access. Now all we need is > >> >> a virtual > >> channel over RDP. > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On > >> >> Behalf Of > >> >> Ben Mustill-Rose > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:38 PM > >> >> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> >> > >> >> Hi all, > >> >> > >> >> Taken from http://www.nvdaremote.com > >> >> > >> >> NVDA Remote Access Preview > >> >> Welcome to NVDA Remote Access > >> >> NVDA Remote access will be a free add-on to NVDA which allows a > >> >> user to remotely control another machine. It does its part to > >> >> reverse the trend of blind unemployment by creating more job > >> >> opportunities for tech entrepreneurs, system administrators, > >> >> rehabilitation specialists, and educators. > >> >> Why do we need Remote Access? > >> >> NVDA Remote Access will give blind users the freedom to enjoy a > >> >> number of career and educational options. Blind Technical > >> >> Support Professionals and amateurs alike can Use NVDA Remote > >> >> access to connect to their clients computers remotely in real > >> >> time and walk them through multi-step procedures or teach them > >> >> new applications, techniques and workflows. 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Off Topic: Beer
by vic.pereira＠ssc-spc.gc.ca 19 Dec '14

19 Dec '14

There is no such thing as bad beer: some just tastes better than others. OK, may be that isn't entirely accurate. I did try a sour beer at a craft brewery in Victoria. It would take be some time before I would be able to develop an appreciation for it. It reminded me of a batch of beer I had to throw away, because fruit flies got into my carboy just before I was ready to bottle it. Vic

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Off Topic: Beer
by Chris Smart 19 Dec '14

19 Dec '14

My favorite when I visit the US is anything by Siera Nevada. I know pale ales have been done to death, but it's still my favorite style of beer. At 11:31 AM 12/19/2014, you wrote: >Look up the beer mile. You might want to get involved in that event. > >Right now the hipsters are making Paps Blue >Ribbon very popular up here in some of the pubs. >The advantage that beer (and I use the term >loosely) on tap is that it is not as sweet as a soft drink. > >Vic Pereira >Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada >9-111 Lombard Avenue >Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 >Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca >204-781-5046 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Blind-sysadmins >[mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] >On Behalf Of John G Heim >Sent: December-19-14 9:43 AM >To: Blind sysadmins list >Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Off Topic: Beer > >I think you mean mainstream American beer was >pretty aweful. There have always been breweries >like Anchor in SF and Point in Wisconsin. > >Actually, I'd say even Miller and Bud aren't >too bad. It's the similarity and the blandness >that are the problems. Sometimes a Bud is the >right beer for the job. I belong to a running >group called the Hash House Harriers. We >traditionally have several beer stops during a >hour long run. Bud, Miller, or whatever is the right beer for that situation. >But I don't want a Bud when I sit down to a steak dinner. > >I used to go to a bar and the bartender found >out I could identify beers by one sip. He'd put >a glass of beer in front of me and I'd take a >sip and say, "That's Miller." Or "That's Pabst." >They thought I was some kind of savant. It was >ridiculous. The point is that the beers were so >similar that most people couldn't tell them apart. > > >On 12/19/2014 09:08 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > > Used to be that United States beer was pretty > awful but with the Craft brewing trend lately > there are a lot of good small options now. I > like Loganitas a lot, they have a good IPA and > they have some others. WTF is good as is Under > Cover Shutdown. Dog Fish is another company thats doing cool things. > > Not only a beer fan but also love the Scotch. > > > > On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:39 AM, vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca wrote: > > > >> There is no such thing as bad beer: some just tastes better than others. > >> > >> OK, may be that isn't entirely accurate. I > did try a sour beer at a craft brewery in > Victoria. It would take be some time before I > would be able to develop an appreciation for > it. It reminded me of a batch of beer I had to > throw away, because fruit flies got into my > carboy just before I was ready to bottle it. > >> > >> Vic > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > >_______________________________________________ >Blind-sysadmins mailing list >Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >_______________________________________________ >Blind-sysadmins mailing list >Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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comcast talking guide
by Josh k 19 Dec '14

19 Dec '14

hi comcast talking guide beta is now out on the x1 platform, reboot the box, unplug it for a bit and plug it back in. or hold down round button on front of box for 7 seconds let up and it reboots. once rebooted hit A twice and follow spoken directions. there's a slight delay but they're working on it.

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Serial Synthesizers
by vic.pereira＠ssc-spc.gc.ca 19 Dec '14

19 Dec '14

Well, back then the Braille n' Speak was an OK note taker. We didn't have much to choose from when it came to portability. It also worked as double duty as a portable synthesizer. For example when taking a course where the classroom was a computer lab. If you had text to speech software that you could install on one of the classroom computers the BnS worked as a synthesizer. Remember there was a time when we didn't have access to software synthesizers. Many of us taking networking courses, classes that required the use of terminal emulation programs to access minis, mainframes etc. or anything else that used a computer we had to be flexible and creative to make those classroom environments work for us. If we expected the training companies and instructors to set all that up for us, we would have been waiting for a very very long time. A friend of mine uses the following statement often: "I used to be plastic, but now I am elastic." I like that saying, because it demonstrates how a little flexibility can go a long way Vic Pereira Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada 9-111 Lombard Avenue Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca 204-781-5046 -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra Sent: December-18-14 9:39 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access But why would anyone want a $695 speech synthesizer -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:03 AM To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access The Blazie products also worked as speech synthesizers that could be connected to a serial port and accessed by text to speech software. Vic Pereira Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada 9-111 Lombard Avenue Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca 204-781-5046 -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: December-17-14 5:57 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access but braille an speak are hardware? On 2014-12-17 15:59, vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca wrote: > Hello Katherine > > Some of us curmudgeons can put up with a lot of bad synthesized speech. When one is brought up on TriFormations FSST dumb terminals, Type n' Talk, Blazie Braille n' Speak etc. a lot of these software synthesizers aren't too shabby. > > Also, you made a comment regarding the look of a UI. When someone has useable vision, the look of an application is as important to them as the quality of synthetic speech is to some of us. > > Vic Pereira > Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada > 9-111 Lombard Avenue > Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 > Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > 204-781-5046 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Katherine Moss > Sent: December-16-14 6:58 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > > I've never tried Teamviewer and NVDA, but I've heard the audio from my friend's side when he uses Teamviewer to access my computer, and let me tell you, it sounds like crap. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Ben Mustill-Rose > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:48 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > > It sounds like it will be a good solution for blind on blind support > so to speak & a blind person supporting a sighted friend. ISTM that corporations who also have sighted administrators will still have to deploy another remote access solution on top of this one though as it doesn't support video & I got the impression that they're not intending to make it into a fully featured remote administration tool. > Never the less, I'll be contributing to their campain as it's > noticeabley better than TeamViewer & NVDA which is what I'm having to use for people at the moment. > > Cheers, > Ben. > > On 12/16/14, Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss(a)gordon.edu> wrote: >> Now that's awesome? not to mention, best programmers out there to do >> the job; everything I've purchased from Christopher, and I've nearly >> bought all of his stuff; I intend to finish those purchases off soon; >> I can't tell you how much productivity and joy I've gotten out of >> them. I use QRead and Chicken Nugget on the daily. If those are good, >> then I can only imagine what this will do; hopefully it will be good >> for both client OS and server OS access. Now all we need is a virtual channel over RDP. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Ben Mustill-Rose >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:38 PM >> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access >> >> Hi all, >> >> Taken from http://www.nvdaremote.com >> >> NVDA Remote Access Preview >> Welcome to NVDA Remote Access >> NVDA Remote access will be a free add-on to NVDA which allows a user >> to remotely control another machine. It does its part to reverse the >> trend of blind unemployment by creating more job opportunities for >> tech entrepreneurs, system administrators, rehabilitation >> specialists, and educators. >> Why do we need Remote Access? >> NVDA Remote Access will give blind users the freedom to enjoy a >> number of career and educational options. Blind Technical Support >> Professionals and amateurs alike can Use NVDA Remote access to >> connect to their clients computers remotely in real time and walk >> them through multi-step procedures or teach them new applications, >> techniques and workflows. Educators can hear what their students are >> doing on their computers and vice versa, providing a perfect >> environment for hands-on training from afar. Whether in an office >> down the hall or a datacenter on the other side of the globe, NVDA >> Remote access will provide powerful, minimal latency access to the Windows desktop via speech. >> Audio Demonstration >> Listen to a podcast where we demonstrate and discuss the current >> prototype of NVDA Remote Access. >> http://www.cucat.org/class_notes/CaviCasts/2014/20141213_nvda_remote. >> m >> p3 >> Who are we? >> Tyler Spivey and Christopher Toth, creators of popular accessible >> software such as 3MT Reader , QRead , Chicken Nugget , MushReader , >> and more. >> >> Cheers, >> Ben. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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flipper screen reader
by Josh k 19 Dec '14

19 Dec '14

hey can anyone get this to work in dosemu or dosbox with sb-talker? link is. https://www.sendspace.com/file/qsfgnl its freeware.

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Accessible BIOS Utilities
by vic.pereira＠ssc-spc.gc.ca 18 Dec '14

18 Dec '14

Greetings The only accessible BIOS utilities I've come across were put out by Compaq and Toshiba. Compaq had a DOS based BIOS program that one could use with a DOS screen reader and synthesizer. Toshiba also had a utility that worked with their laptops. I have not come across any since then. It was just when processors were moving from the 486 to the Pentium platform. Is when I lost track of what happened. There were even some SCSI cards that were accessible through similar DOS text based utilities. Vic Pereira Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada 9-111 Lombard Avenue Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca 204-781-5046 -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Anatoliy Shudrya Sent: December-18-14 12:58 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers Are these hardware synthesizers capable of making BIOS accessible? I got to IT with software synthesizers only and never had a change to work with one of the hardware once. Always wondered if it worse the effort to invest in one of the hardware synth to be able working on the BIOS level when needed. Do they have one with USB connection? Sorry it's kind of off the topic. Anatoliy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:44 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers Oh they are. I still prefer Eloquence for basic computing where I have the speech cranked up though. But for pleasure reading, the more human-sounding voices for sure. At 01:38 PM 12/18/2014, you wrote: >I had the Artic business vision and before that an Echo 2E later on the >Dectalk. > >Love that these are things of the past, they sounded good (dectalk did >anyway) but software synths are miles ahead in my opinion. > > >On Dec 18, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8(a)cogeco.ca> wrote: > > > am I the only one who misses the Accent synth > and ASAP on dos machines? Most found Accent to > be too stacato, but I really liked it at fast speeds. Same goes for Artic. > > > > > > At 01:06 PM 12/18/2014, you wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Not really to me - Apollo has a very > distinctive voice. I wish it could be > reserected. Those were the days that the > hardware synth manufacturers had several > different variants of their synths - Dolphin > for example had an internal Apollo ISA card, > the two external Apollos/Junos and the PCMCIA Gemini card. > >> > >> Andrew. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 17:13 > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> But the voice in orpheus tts sound verry verry verry like apollo > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh > >> Sent: den 18 december 2014 18:09 > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> NO. Not really. Similar though. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 17:08 > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> But them have same voice? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson > >> Sent: den 18 december 2014 18:00 > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Juno is smaller, has a slightly inferior > speaker and can be powered by battery where as > Apollo is external powered synth. > >> > >> Andrew. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 16:38 > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Hm? Juno and appollo are the same? > >> Or what are different > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh > >> Sent: den 18 december 2014 17:19 > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Vic, > >> I was the same to a certain extent. When I > started, I had a Juno and an Apollo 2. > >> > >> I lived with Hal 4 for years! I mean > years. I must have used it from 1993 to 2003 > when I needed to do something in Dos. > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> Sent: 18 December 2014 15:57 > >> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Serial Synthesizers > >> > >> Well, back then the Braille n' Speak was an > OK note taker. We didn't have much to choose from when it came to portability. > >> > >> It also worked as double duty as a portable > synthesizer. For example when taking a course > where the classroom was a computer lab. If you > had text to speech software that you could > install on one of the classroom computers the > BnS worked as a synthesizer. Remember there was > a time when we didn't have access to software > synthesizers. Many of us taking networking > courses, classes that required the use of > terminal emulation programs to access minis, > mainframes etc. or anything else that used a > computer we had to be flexible and creative to > make those classroom environments work for us. > If we expected the training companies and > instructors to set all that up for us, we would > have been waiting for a very very long time. > >> > >> A friend of mine uses the following statement often: > >> > >> "I used to be plastic, but now I am elastic." > >> > >> I like that saying, because it demonstrates > how a little flexibility can go a long way > >> > >> Vic Pereira > >> Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada > >> 9-111 Lombard Avenue > >> Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 > >> Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> 204-781-5046 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra > >> Sent: December-18-14 9:39 AM > >> To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > >> But why would anyone want a $695 speech synthesizer > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] > On Behalf Of vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:03 AM > >> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > >> The Blazie products also worked as speech > synthesizers that could be connected to a > serial port and accessed by text to speech software. > >> > >> Vic Pereira > >> Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada > >> 9-111 Lombard Avenue > >> Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 > >> Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> 204-781-5046 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias > >> Sent: December-17-14 5:57 PM > >> To: Blind sysadmins list > >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > >> but braille an speak are hardware? > >> On 2014-12-17 15:59, vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca wrote: > >> > Hello Katherine > >> > > >> > Some of us curmudgeons can put up with a lot of bad synthesized speech. > >> When one is brought up on TriFormations FSST > dumb terminals, Type n' Talk, Blazie Braille n' > Speak etc. a lot of these software synthesizers aren't too shabby. > >> > > >> > Also, you made a comment regarding the look of a UI. When someone has > >> useable vision, the look of an application > is as important to them as the quality of synthetic speech is to some of us. > >> > > >> > Vic Pereira > >> > Shared Services Canada/Services partagés Canada > >> > 9-111 Lombard Avenue > >> > Winnipeg MB R3B 0T4 > >> > Vic.pereira(a)ssc-spc.gc.ca > >> > 204-781-5046 > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > >> > Katherine Moss > >> > Sent: December-16-14 6:58 PM > >> > To: Blind sysadmins list > >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > > >> > I've never tried Teamviewer and NVDA, but I've heard the audio from my > >> friend's side when he uses Teamviewer to > access my computer, and let me tell you, it sounds like crap. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Blind-sysadmins > >> > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > >> > Ben Mustill-Rose > >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:48 PM > >> > To: Blind sysadmins list > >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> > > >> > It sounds like it will be a good solution for blind on blind support > >> > so to > >> speak & a blind person supporting a sighted > friend. ISTM that corporations who also have > sighted administrators will still have to > deploy another remote access solution on top of > this one though as it doesn't support video & I > got the impression that they're not intending > to make it into a fully featured remote administration tool. > >> > Never the less, I'll be contributing to their campain as it's > >> > noticeabley > >> better than TeamViewer & NVDA which is what > I'm having to use for people at the moment. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Ben. > >> > > >> > On 12/16/14, Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss(a)gordon.edu> wrote: > >> >> Now that's awesome? not to mention, best programmers out there to do > >> >> the job; everything I've purchased from Christopher, and I've nearly > >> >> bought all of his stuff; I intend to finish those purchases off soon; > >> >> I can't tell you how much productivity and joy I've gotten out of > >> >> them. I use QRead and Chicken Nugget on the daily. If those are good, > >> >> then I can only imagine what this will do; hopefully it will be good > >> >> for both client OS and server OS access. Now all we need is a virtual > >> channel over RDP. > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Blind-sysadmins > >> >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > >> >> Ben Mustill-Rose > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:38 PM > >> >> To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA will soon support remote access > >> >> > >> >> Hi all, > >> >> > >> >> Taken from http://www.nvdaremote.com > >> >> > >> >> NVDA Remote Access Preview > >> >> Welcome to NVDA Remote Access > >> >> NVDA Remote access will be a free add-on to NVDA which allows a user > >> >> to remotely control another machine. It does its part to reverse the > >> >> trend of blind unemployment by creating more job opportunities for > >> >> tech entrepreneurs, system administrators, rehabilitation > >> >> specialists, and educators. > >> >> Why do we need Remote Access? > >> >> NVDA Remote Access will give blind users the freedom to enjoy a > >> >> number of career and educational options. Blind Technical Support > >> >> Professionals and amateurs alike can Use NVDA Remote access to > >> >> connect to their clients computers remotely in real time and walk > >> >> them through multi-step procedures or teach them new applications, > >> >> techniques and workflows. Educators can hear what their students are > >> >> doing on their computers and vice versa, providing a perfect > >> >> environment for hands-on training from afar. Whether in an office > >> >> down the hall or a datacenter on the other side of the globe, NVDA > >> >> Remote access will provide powerful, minimal latency access to the > >> Windows desktop via speech. > >> >> Audio Demonstration > >> >> Listen to a podcast where we demonstrate and discuss the current > >> >> prototype of NVDA Remote Access. > >> >> http://www.cucat.org/class_notes/CaviCasts/2014/20141213_nvda_remote. > >> >> m > >> >> p3 > >> >> Who are we? > >> >> Tyler Spivey and Christopher Toth, creators of popular accessible > >> >> software such as 3MT Reader , QRead , Chicken Nugget , MushReader , > >> >> and > >> more. > >> >> > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> Ben. > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list > >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > > Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > >_______________________________________________ >Blind-sysadmins mailing list >Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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windows 8 accessible apps
by mattias 18 Dec '14

18 Dec '14

the topic says all and now i dont meen desktop apps i meen the new one

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